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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I understand that there is a difference between canadian law and US law, however, you have the court rulings wrong. It clearly states the the police are not liable for INDIVIDUAL protection, they are only there to serve society as a whole.
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Read the decisions - they clearly state that individuals have no redress IN COURT for the failure of police to protect. That's what the "liable" in your statement means. All 3 decisions go on to state that protection is the central function of police departments. Let me know if you need me to dig up links to synopese of the decisions, but you're trying to twist the documents from saying that you can't sue if you're hurt in a crime into some warped idea that the cops can sit on their asses all day long with no recourse. The key word here is "liable" and it has a very specific meaning that I think you're missing.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
lots of things are dangerous. guns less so than lots of other things.
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Agreed. See below.
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It's extremely shaky and questionable to arrive at that number when you include suicides in the total as well as excluding any defensive uses when the gun is used outside the home (which was a majority of the uses to begin with)
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Already conceeded this point.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Alaska, Maryland and Nevada as well as D.C.
Maryland has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation, so it makes me wonder how many of those firearm deaths are crime related/gang related as compared to accidental.
D.C. has a total gun ban so all of those have to be crime related/gang related.
Nevada, not having enough of an idea about the nature of the state other than gambling...how many are suicides?
Alaska......you got me. everybody walks?
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Again, you've totally missed the point of these numbers. We're comparing two sets of deaths - which set is most likely to flucuate over time? If you said "gun deaths", then you've got blinders on. This comparision is significant because of the reduction in auto deaths, and the Insurance Institute of America used it as proof that their work on car safety is paying off.
As a nod to the other companion thread about perceptions of gun owners, I love how you just called any gun owning residents of DC gang members and all criminals gang members. Yes, some of them probably are, but certainly not all. Probably not even most. Another example of the far right gun nuts screaming in terror "If I don't have my gun the gangs are going to get me!"