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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
So if you hear gunshots down the street and see 2 or 3 people chasing and shooting at a lone individual, you'd leave your target rifle locked in its place and dial 911??
Lets hope that never happens to you, because If I got shot and then found out later that somebody could have stopped it before it took the cop 10 minutes to get there, I'd be pissed.
Maybe you should take a look at some court cases like Warren v. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services., or Hartzler v. City of San Jose
The police are under no obligation to protect you as an individual.
So, if the police aren't going to protect us, who will?
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Irrelevant since we're discussion Canadian police and firearm use in that thread and The Captain is Canadian.
Speaking directly to those cases, they all confirm that you have no standing to sue the police for not protecting you, the individual. They all clearly state that the function of the police is to protect the individual. I think that YOU need to spend the time to read the cases or at least the Westlaw version.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
This statement does not include specifics like gang related deaths, deaths by police officers, OR those killed by people using self defense.
meaningless without that.
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You're splitting hairs here. The statement is that guns kill people accidentally. This goes to show that guns are dangerous.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Kellermans study was debunked quite a few years ago, even acknowledged by the CDC. The only groups that still use it are the VPC and the Brady campaign because they refuse to look at the real numbers.
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The Kellerman study was certainly done with some shaky statistics. He may still be right, but the way that he arrived at his conclusions was certainly questionable.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
This is not true either. Firearm misuse causes only a small number of accidental deaths in the U.S.
For example, compared to accidental death from firearms, you are:
• Four times more likely to burn to death or drown
• 17 times more likely to be poisoned
• 19 times more likely to fall
• And 53 times more likely to die in an automobile accident
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Actually it is true and made news in insurance circles since auto deaths have lead all non-disease deaths for something like 65 or 75 years (I don't remember the exact number). Also, the stats that your quoting are nationwide and not state-specific, which is what James_T_Kirk is quoting. To refute, you need to find state-specific data.