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Originally Posted by roachboy
the minutemen are a militia group--just have a look at their webpage.
if you looked into these groups at all during their last public heyday (late 1980s-oklahoma city bombing), you may know about them: extreme right wing, xenophobic paramilitaries that are in the main convinced that one or another version of zog (the "zionist occupation government")--which in back in the day when groups like this would actually spell out their politics was usually routed through some loopy "protocols of the elders of zion"-driven interpretation of the united nations to group the federal government, the un and some fantasy world jewish conspiracy together---was trying to invade the united states, one way or another---the central fear that drove the ideologies of many of these groups was that this phantasm was acting to deprive folk of their guns and by doing that reduce them to slavery.
in this you have the entire logic behind posts from the dunedan and dk in the various repetitions of gunthreads that have appeared of late in this forum.
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And here we have proof positive that people DO look at gun owners with a stereotyped image of "extreme right wing, xenophobic paramilitaries"
Roachboy, did you really just call Dune and I 'anti-semitic'?
I have no desire to even attempt to defend myself from something so ridiculous as your pre-conceived notions of all gun owners being right wing paramilitary groups who are trying to defend themselves from 'ZOG'.
This is exactly what I was talking about in another thread, this point of view from the 'gun control' crowd that denigrated the militia movement as a bunch of radicals bent on destroying the federal government. Generalizing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few and the intentional misinformation of others is almost always protested vehemently and loudly by the 'liberal' group when done by people with an opposing viewpoint, especially when they know that their position holds no validity.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
these folk act as though the possession of guns is in itself an entire politics.
the arguments that you see here on this score presuppose that there is one and only one political correlate of gun ownershp and that this political correlate is articulated by militia groups themselves.
except you erase the term "militia groups" and replace it with "citizens" or "armed citizens".
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Gun ownership HAS become an entire politics because of groups like the brady campaign, the violence policy center, and anti-american political hypocrite elitists like diane feinstein. These groups and people have intentionally misinterpreted the second amendment to promote an agenda of disarming the militia groups and citizens. Most likely because they know that in promoting the rest of their unconstitutional agenda, disarmed citizens could not resist. 'militia groups' ARE armed citizens. The last that I read, nobody had repealed that act.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
i do not see a single positive aspect of allowing this kind of group to assume (for itself) any kind of function.
they should stick to organizing paintball sessions and fantasizing about restoring an 18th century white america in the taverns friendly to boys in camo.
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and yet one more 'generalization' based on ignorance or willful intent to malign something that you do not agree with. This wouldn't be any different than someone saying that liberals should stick to drinking their starbucks in their birkenstocks and talking about last nites american idol. What did that get us? absolutely nothing. So thank you for bringing absolutely nothing but misinformation, generalization, and denigration based on willful ignorance.