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Old 03-23-2006, 08:25 AM   #81 (permalink)
dksuddeth
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJess
Well, at least one thing is clear.
It's even harder to discuss this rationally than it is to discuss abortion or partisan politics.

I must note that I feel that The_Dunedan's arguments are a bit excessive, and go away from the questions we were posing and discussing. Clearly, no one actually wants or suggested that we kill off all the gun owners, and there is not general support for complete gun bans. We know the laws need revision, and that's what we're trying to figure out - what ways can we improve the situation?

Rhetoric like this only breaks down further communication possibilities, IMO.
I'm confused, whats not rational or excessive about dunedans arguments? Of course you're not suggesting that you send out death squads to collect the handguns of gun owners, but when they resist, what do you think is going to happen? Here is your scenario:

1: pass laws banning handguns
2: provide 30-60 day grace period for all handguns to be turned in voluntarily
3: realize that with only 2,000 handguns turned in to the authorities, you'll have to go round them up.
4: send out the local police in each community to knock on doors, demand said handguns, rinse and repeat at next house.
5: Police call for backup after they meet resistance and get shot/shot at by homeowner(s) who refuse to give up handguns claiming constitutional rights.
6: Call S.W.A.T. team to invade home because homeowner(s) opened fire with their collection of semi-automatic assault rifles.
6a: for those homes that have legally registered and taxed automatic weapons, you send BATFE squad of 45 body armoured men with automatic weapons, storm house, shoot anyone who resists, then gather weapons including the ones you weren't intending to collect anyway because all adults inside are dead.
7: Call in National guard units to surround large neighborhoods because news reports showing armed incursions by law enforcement authorities prompted said gun owners to band together in large buildings with all of their guns and ammunition and are firing upon any law enforcement agents attempting to approach.

You see the eventual outcome?
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