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Originally Posted by JustJess
My apologies. As you were using the murder rate as the example, I ran with it. IMHO, a overall crime rate decline could quite easily be largely attributed to a gun ban, along with increased police presence and stiffer overall penalties.
Your argument appears double-sided - first you say gun bans don't help, and then you quote numbers that support the idea that a gun ban does help - and claim that doesn't prove anything. What data makes you believe that it ISN'T helping? It certainly isn't hurting! If it's not hurting and it's not stopping long guns, why not institute changes like this country wide?
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actually, what I said was it 'could' explain. I'm certainly open to the possibility that it might work, but only in reducing a crime rate, not for getting rid of them completely. The numbers thing, what I was trying to say is that if ONLY the murder rate had gone down, I COULD believe that it might be because of the gun control laws, however, in looking at the crime statistics, ALL crime was going down. ALL crime would indicate that there were other factors instead of gun control. Criminals without guns will still use knives, clubs, etc. to commit crimes which would not lower property, assault, and rape crimes. Thats why I believe that there is some other factor instead of gun control laws.