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JustJess · 03-21-2006, 09:13 AM

That's a really interesting idea, Charlatan. Mind you, in the case quoted, the kid was killed with a shotgun, but I see your general point. Do you think the cops should still have hand guns? I would say yes, for sheer practicality, as long guns would be difficult to maneuver in many situations.

Jwoody, when I said "real world possibilities"... a full gun ban wasn't one of them in my mind. To sound perfectly paranoid, neither do I want a government like ours having all the guns and us, none. Because if they instituted - and actually enforced! - a complete gun ban, there's no way they would stop having them for their own purposes. And that's just too dangerous, and would destroy what little balance we have. It's not that I think we have enough guns to do anything about our gov't, or that they're concerned with our owning guns, but that if we give up that right, we're giving up far more than metal. We're giving up a chunk of our power in the structure that is our society. It's along the same lines of why it's rude to sit while someone else stands in your office - you give the impression that you're in charge, not the other person.

I do think that there may have been no way, or regulation, that would have changed what happened to this 15-yo kid. That's a real shame.

As far as actual changes, what I currently propose:

1. I would strongly consider Charlatan's thought of banning all handguns;
2. Automatic fines of $1000 per gun per instance of being caught with gun (UNLICENSED ONLY, IE GANGS ETC.);
3. Removal of all illegal guns to be stripped and re-used, possibly for military/police use;
4. If criminal is unable to pay fines, then jail/probation/community service for minimum 5 years per offense (in addition to any other criminal penalties for any related/unrelated crimes);
6. Strict licensing requirements, INCLUDING GUN SHOWS - Pass basic psych eval and comprehensive gun safety tests.

That would help to cut down on some of the crap, I think.

03-21-2006, 09:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	That's a really interesting idea, Charlatan. Mind you, in the case quoted, the kid was killed with a shotgun, but I see your general point. Do you think the cops should still have hand guns? I would say yes, for sheer practicality, as long guns would be difficult to maneuver in many situations. Jwoody, when I said "real world possibilities"... a full gun ban wasn't one of them in my mind. To sound perfectly paranoid, neither do I want a government like ours having all the guns and us, none. Because if they instituted - and actually enforced! - a complete gun ban, there's no way they would stop having them for their own purposes. And that's just too dangerous, and would destroy what little balance we have. It's not that I think we have enough guns to do anything about our gov't, or that they're concerned with our owning guns, but that if we give up that right, we're giving up far more than metal. We're giving up a chunk of our power in the structure that is our society. It's along the same lines of why it's rude to sit while someone else stands in your office - you give the impression that you're in charge, not the other person. I do think that there may have been no way, or regulation, that would have changed what happened to this 15-yo kid. That's a real shame. As far as actual changes, what I currently propose: 1. I would strongly consider Charlatan's thought of banning all handguns; 2. Automatic fines of $1000 per gun per instance of being caught with gun (UNLICENSED ONLY, IE GANGS ETC.); 3. Removal of all illegal guns to be stripped and re-used, possibly for military/police use; 4. If criminal is unable to pay fines, then jail/probation/community service for minimum 5 years per offense (in addition to any other criminal penalties for any related/unrelated crimes); 6. Strict licensing requirements, INCLUDING GUN SHOWS - Pass basic psych eval and comprehensive gun safety tests. That would help to cut down on some of the crap, I think. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.