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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I also wanted to add, it's been said by many gun owners/carriers that I know that you shouldn't pull it if you don't intend to shoot, why shouldn't we maintain that standard when it concerns bad guys? should we just sit on our thumbs and think 'if i'm real still, maybe he'll just go away'?
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I agree there. It's useless just to show it. If you pull it, shoot instantly and don't miss.
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I may have misinterpreted your response, my response was concerning defensive purposes only. For a bad guy, it makes sense to have the gun drawn during the robbery. That way people will take you more serious. A LOT of armed robberies take place every day. The overwhelming majority end with nobody being shot. Based on the statistics, its safe to say that in almost all situations, if you follow orders and don't try to be a hero, nobody will get hurt.
Of course, if you have data showing the number of armed robberies, along wtih the number of shootings that was broken down between victims that complied and those who didn't, I've love to see it.
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I'm curious, in your two shootings of random injuries that you cited, was it ever determined that the gunfire came from a law abiding citizen licensed to carry? or from people that weren't carrying legally anyway and were in the process of committing crimes?
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What difference does it make? A CCW permit is worth as much as traffic school when it comes to training and experience required to earn it.
The point is when you start shooting you put everyone within range at risk. Even people sitting in their homes are at risk. Your right to protect yourself does not include allowing you to hit a bystander with an errant bullet.
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Since Concealed carry there isn't legal anyway, only open carry is (and in any major city is going to get you arrested for disturbing the peace regardless)
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Care to back that up? I see people openly carry all the time in Phoenix. I prefer open carry because it makes a statement. Concealed carry should never be legal. People on the street have a right to know if the guy next to them is packing. Business owners should also have the right to not allow weapons of any kind in their stores and concealed carry gives someone the opportunity to sneak in with a gun.