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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
If they PASS a background check, why is there an issue?
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First off, how about "one response, one post?" It's kinda dumb to have to go through 3 replies to quote out what we need.
YOU are the one who said it's HARD for law abiding citizens to get a gun. I called bullshit on that. It is NOT hard. If I want a gun, I can have one 7 days from now, totally legally. The hardest part would be earning the money for it. Don't try to turn it around into something that it never was.
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So instead of allowing people the ability to defend themselves, or others, we'll just put up with the many deaths that a criminal will cause until our neighborhood police get done with their coffee and donuts and decide to come and arrest him? Do me a favor, stay out of my neighborhood.
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so 1) you think the cops are going to linger over donuts before they respond to a crime. I deal with cops almost every day. I've met good cops, and I've met total asshole cops. Not ONE of them would delay an emergency call to finish their meal. Let's not be needlessly insulting to the cops shall we?
2) You have never bothered to respond to the crossfire issue. If a bunch of "defenders" pull their guns and start shooting, someone's likely to get shot that doesn't need to be shot.
3) Where the hell do you live? I dunno about you but murder per capita where I've lived isn't nearly what you're implying. You're acting like we live in a warzone. I routinely go into some of the worst neighborhoods, and I've NEVER been in a situation where a gun would be helpful. It's disingenuous to artificially inflate the crime problem in order to justify your desire to have a gun.
My whole point in all these arguments is not to ban guns. It's to get you gun enthusiasts to stop using bullshit arguments to support your side.
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I love the last ditch 'lets protect the kids' attempt. Nobody is talking about letting juveniles arm themselves
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You're the one who keeps saying "gee, look at this shooting. If ONLY the crowd had all been armed to the teeth! None of this would've happened!"
The logical conclusion to that is that in all the school shootings, if ONLY the kids had guns, there wouldn't have been a slaughter. Ergo, let's arm kids.
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however, if people took some responsibility and actually TAUGHT their kids how to respect the use of a gun and be responsible about it instead of the 'guns are evil' crap, we might have less violence out there.
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None of us are saying guns are evil. You're the one putting that crap in our mouths. We're saying your arguments in support of your desire to have guns are bullshit. And that's exactly what they are. Boil it all down, and you just WANT a gun. Nothing wrong with that, but be honest about it instead of inventing all these reasons that don't even make sense.
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milk factory=workplace=workplace shooting. maybe you've heard of them.
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school also=workplace=workplace shooting. Arm the children.