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Originally Posted by nanotech
Muhammad did not invent. How can he invent when he was a poor goat herder and he could not read or write to get this data. Also the layers, atmospheres, above earth are 7. I named them in a previous post. Also when God said he created 7 earths other than earth, indeed, it was 7 earths. He did not tell us where but if we name the planets we can see:
Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Neptune
Pluto
The number is 8 - earth = 7 earths. So as we see, I analyze from he Quran and the number of 7 earths also is mentioned with the 7 heavens. Now since they are 7 planets other than the earth, then it can be the heavens of these 7 planets, or skies. So God might have referred to the 7 heavens as our atmosphere, 7 layers or the 7 planets other than earth. But these are verses that came on the prophet and were left to people to know, in time.
But in either case, both 7 heavens meanings are correct.
I'm going to be honest here and point out I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to debate this at length with you, but I can't help but respond to this section. It stuck out to me as one of the more obvious examples of misunderstanding of basic scientific facts that brings into question many other things you say as well. Since I was as young as 9 - and maybe even before then but it was at the age of 9 that it was first taught in school - I have known that there are *nine* planets in the solar system:
Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto
I don't need to, but I'll point it out anyway, 9 planets - Earth != 7 planets. Even more significantly, nearly 200 planets have been definitively discovered outside our own solar system, most of them with masses similar to that of Jupiter. Not that it's needed, but such an egregious flaw in your statements calls everything else you say even further into question than it already is.
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Yes thanks for being honest, the planets was a subject I learned in school around 15 years ago. I have forgot something but everybody forgets. From the amount of subjects and references I'm discussing I think it is reasonable for a human to forget something. It is still better than some who make silly sarcastic jokes and don't offer useful information. Again thank you for reminding me that the planets are 9. After I read them, I realized that I studied them all but that I forgot something. This is good for me because it means that the other supposition of the 7 heavens is the correct meaning, unless there are other 7 heavens near that might be found in the future. There are meanings in the Quran that are still being discovered by modern science.
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Secret - I came so very close to making some crass joke about your anus, but I'm glad to see you beat me to the punch.
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Should I behave as an adult and not reply to this nonsense or should I behave the same? Well I kind of feel I have be fun too
pigglet, I was going to eat your head but then I realized pigs have worms inside.
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Originally Posted by nanotech
WHO ARE YOU? who are you to say that I don't know anything about geology or chemistry? I know more than you and I loved these in education and understood how to work with them and made a few little formulas of my own, and I can recall the chemistry formulas in 20 minutes if I read the book again after 15 years of learning them.
heaven.
OK...I think we are about done playing this game Nanotech. I have watched this thread since you reposted it after we removed what was considered Spam. I then followed your ramblings knowing you dont use english as a first language, and was hoping we were dealing with a communications issue, we are not. While it would be inappropriate for me to discuss the knowledge level of a member, as you have done, I can and will take what action in needed while attempting to seem Unbiased.
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Game? I am a direct to the point and honest person. The only games I play are video games.
Someone insults me and I reply, but I'm wrong... Is this just a little biased?
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It is not only the pig that has a worm or disease that humans can get if they eat it. It's just that Mohammad apparently did not know about the other animals that can give you disease. And pork will not kill you if you cook it properly, just as beef won't kill you if you cook it properly.
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Beef meat cannot be compared to pork meat, health wise.
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Then why didn't he ban all meat? Because if you undercook ANY meat you take the risk of getting sick and/or dying.
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Let me ask this. If species are created by evolution, why is this worm only in pigs, and how did the prophet know it was only in pigs? What if it was in the amazons or the polar creatures? He couldn't go there to make sure that they don’t have it.
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Please see more. Mountains are not only nails. They have one of the purposes to act like nails to hold the lava.
Easy experiment to prove this wrong. Drive a nail into a glass of water and see how well it does at keeping the water from moving.
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Water doesn't do it, the earth crust is made of many layers. The mountain has a deep root which goes inside. Several mountains doing this function would lessen the movement and shifting of continents
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They have other purposes to store water inside.
Whaaaat? Where did you get this?
National Geographic; Mountains have caves and hold water. I didn't say that holding water is the primary purpose and it is not the main source of water.
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And that's exactly my point. If the videos had said something that disagreed with the Quran, you'd have rejected them out of hand as being false. You have many of us telling you things which do not agree with the quran, but which have withstood decades of rigorous scientific analysis, and are rejecting them out of hand because they do not dovetail with what you read in the Quran. You refuse to acknowledge any new knowledge unless it is not, in fact, new at all but just a retelling of something from the Quran.
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You are imagining. I am always open to new ideas if they are scientifically valid. I read about scientology and part of book online about materialist and the history that Darwin methodology affected the world. Transitional species don't exist. A hypothesis doesn't become a theory until it has been globally agreed by scientists.
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Sorry, but none of the evidence you have cited qualifies as scientific evidence.
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Should I repeat the miracles again and all i said again?.. bah
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Please give us the mathematical formula you used to prove the existance of God and the afterlife.
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I posted it
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You cannot have a hypothesis, and then make up the evidence, and then claim it's all true. This is what separates you from the scientifically minded. If we have a hypothesis, we search for evidence to support or reject it. If you have a hypothesis, you search for evidence only to support it, ignoring any evidence that rejects it. And as you've just indicated, if you can't find that evidence, you dream up a "formula" that supports it.
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I am scientific minded, as do people and teachers whom I knew at school had told me. I have given evidence and references. The videos I referred to gave thoughts on both sides: materialists and creationists. Its titled: "Collapse of Darwinism".
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And how can he be sure by himself that all worms are dead? Would you take the chance of sleeping with someone if you know they have HIV but you have a condom? What if the condom was not 100% fool proof?
Again apples and oranges. I can't cook my sexual partner (well. . not without going to jail anyway). But if I COULD cook her, it would kill off the HIV and the sex would be safe. . if a bit crispy. . .
I can cook the pork to the point where it is not dangerous.
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There is a high level of danger in pork meat for average humans of the times before us. With no science, many people would have been dead because they didn't cook pork well. What a purpose to die for... God knew this and pork was created, but it has the purpose like the forbidden tree of heaven.
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This thread is now where it belongs, people. It is quite obvious that nanotech will not change his mind no matter how often or well his arguments are refuted, nor is he likely to change anyone else's mind with his "scientific proof." I do get a kick out of his "science" though: mountains as nails.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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They are not refuted. They are being argued but not refuted. "Well, you're wrong", there is a lot of evidence of God's existence to see in here and in the videos I referred to.