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Zeraph · 03-16-2006, 10:13 AM

I am not in the religious camp mentioned above, but I would think that whatever happens is God's will . . . meaning if we learn how to clone then that's OK, if someone has an abortion, God's will.

I just finished reading the rest of your post, and yeah basically what you already said I agree. We are not taking away anything special by cloning or making life. I don't think souls exist in the way we would normally think. There's a buddhist arguement I think, that goes something like, the soul is considered eternal, everlasting, right? The soul is a core self, our truest identity, right? Therefore the soul is a type existence, right? Basically another life after death. And what is existence? How do we experience such? Sensations. We feel emotions, we feel the wind, we see light, etc.

So the soul could be three things, 1) sensation 2) no sensation 3) the faculty for sensation. Sensation would make the most sense, without it can we really exist? Think of what you would be with NO sensation, no sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, no nothing. We wouldn't have intelligence, our personality couldn't have developed, etc. But how can the soul be sensation if our sensations are always changing? Yet the soul is supposed to be constant, eternal. Sensations are cleary not, if the soul is sensation then it cannot be eternal.

If the soul is not sensation (we've already been over) can there really be any existance?

The faculty for sensation, faculty must depend on something else. For instance, if I am to have the skill of riding unicorns, unicorns must exist for the skill to. Obviously there are no unicorns, therefore I cannot have the skill to ride them. Therefore if the soul were faculty for sensation then it must depend on something else to exist like our bodies in which to sense from. But our bodies can be taken away, die. So without sensation, or an everlasting host so to speak, there can not really be any faculty for such.

So it goes something like that, I am going from memory here, so sorry if you know the arguement and I butchered it. But I think it's pretty close.

03-16-2006, 10:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	I am not in the religious camp mentioned above, but I would think that whatever happens is God's will . . . meaning if we learn how to clone then that's OK, if someone has an abortion, God's will. I just finished reading the rest of your post, and yeah basically what you already said I agree. We are not taking away anything special by cloning or making life. I don't think souls exist in the way we would normally think. There's a buddhist arguement I think, that goes something like, the soul is considered eternal, everlasting, right? The soul is a core self, our truest identity, right? Therefore the soul is a type existence, right? Basically another life after death. And what is existence? How do we experience such? Sensations. We feel emotions, we feel the wind, we see light, etc. So the soul could be three things, 1) sensation 2) no sensation 3) the faculty for sensation. Sensation would make the most sense, without it can we really exist? Think of what you would be with NO sensation, no sight, no smell, no touch, no hearing, no nothing. We wouldn't have intelligence, our personality couldn't have developed, etc. But how can the soul be sensation if our sensations are always changing? Yet the soul is supposed to be constant, eternal. Sensations are cleary not, if the soul is sensation then it cannot be eternal. If the soul is not sensation (we've already been over) can there really be any existance? The faculty for sensation, faculty must depend on something else. For instance, if I am to have the skill of riding unicorns, unicorns must exist for the skill to. Obviously there are no unicorns, therefore I cannot have the skill to ride them. Therefore if the soul were faculty for sensation then it must depend on something else to exist like our bodies in which to sense from. But our bodies can be taken away, die. So without sensation, or an everlasting host so to speak, there can not really be any faculty for such. So it goes something like that, I am going from memory here, so sorry if you know the arguement and I butchered it. But I think it's pretty close.