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roach, i think i'm going to have to go ahead and kind of disagree with some of what you've said here. I think you're making a sweeping generalization about the motives of people who might have some concern about the lack of male involvement in the abortion/no abortion and/or mandatory father role. For instance, I'm staunchly pro-choice, and if it falls down one way or the other (legal abortion w/ women 100% in the driver's seat, or no legal abortion in the name of "male reproductive rights") i side with the ladies in control. However, I do think its a little bit skewed that men have no legal say in the matter. I just don't see a way to reconcile that, without all the pragmatic difficulties you and Gilda and others have outlined. I also don't think its the best argument to fall back on that pregnancy is 100% a female situation, because by claiming all the ownership of the pregnancy, it seems to me that the female must then claim 100% of the responsibility. Its either a shared phenomenon, or its exclusively female. If I impregnate my girlfriend, I don't loan her my junk for 9 months, after which I reclaim my 50% w/ interest for school books. I completely respect the difficult aspects of pregnancy for women; simultaneously I'm amazed at the process they take part in. I guess if the position is that the male is essentially superfluous to the issue after conception in terms of responsibility regarding pregnancy...then the male is superfluous for responsbility regarding pregnancy. I simply don't like the austerity of this position. To me, pregnancy should be a shared experience between the man and woman in question, with the unfortunate situation that the final straw has to come down to the woman on this issue, but not by the 100% - 0% proportion that some seem to be favoring.
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