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Originally Posted by Gilda
The male and female roles during the pregnancy are fundamentally different in that the female does 100% of the work, has 100% of the responsibility for the pregnancy itself. She should therefore have 100% of the decision making to herself.
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Well, sort of. She doesn't have 100% of the responsibility herself, though. If I put it there, then I share that responsibility. Whether she feels that way or not. She can't take it from me. I own it, this responsibility.
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Before the pregnancy begins, absolutely both partners have an equal responsibility to take proper precautions and preparations. After the child is born, both parents should have equal rights and responsibilities. During the pregnancy itself everything is happening in the woman's body, so the decision making should be all hers.
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Disagree. It's our child, not hers, and any decision making needs to work within that understanding. We agreed together to have it, we went ahead and did it, and now it is happening and it is both of ours. She shouldn't get to take any more ownership than me at this point. She is the one carrying the child because, well, that's just how nature works. That in no way should give her the right to decide on an abortion after we've gotten to this point.
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Where the situations are equivilent, treatment should be the same. There is no male equivilent to pregnancy, so he's not in the same situation as she is. In different circumstances, different treatment is warranted.
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Of course there is no male equivilent to pregnancy. But both the man and woman know this already. Her being the one that carries the child should give her just as much responsibility to the man that gave it to her as to the child.
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No man, short of being raped, can have fatherhood forced on him.
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And neither can a woman, short of being raped.
I find the whole abortion fiasco to be ridiculous. Why are so many abortions needed? Because people are irresponsible with their bodies. That's why.
Of course there will be cases of rape, incest and danger to the mother. I think that should pretty much sum up the types of abortions that should be allowed.
Or give a freebie, just for the sake of argument, to first-timers. Hey, mistakes happen. But if they don't learn from that one, well, then too bad.
I guess it's good I don't make the laws. We'd have a lot more kids in the world. And a lot more teen mothers living in trailer parks. Sounds bad, I know, but eventually people would start to learn. Learn to change their irresponsible behavior, change the tendencies to have irresponsible sex because they know they can't just bail out by getting a pill from the local Wal-Mart or having someone from planned parenthood scrape out their insides.
Having said that, I'm not totally against the idea of abortions, I just think the majority of them are BS. And, going hand in hand with that, I think that a woman taking advantage of a pregnancy by claiming "It's inside me so I can do what I want with it," is just about the most i
rresponsible thing one can do.