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Old 03-12-2006, 07:19 PM   #102 (permalink)
shakran
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Again, I'm only going to respond to what you directed at me, to keep the post length down. What you said to the others is also, largely, wrong, but I'll let them address that.

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Originally Posted by nanotech

shakran, expand your thought. There are many countries and continents. There "could" have been many animals that hold this worm but there aren't. The Quran said only pork meat, meat of the dead, and carnivores. If it was by observation, how did the Prophet Mohammad 1400 years ago, who was poor (his job was a goat herder and he had no education, couldn't read or write), go across continents and gain this knowledge that pork meat is the only meat that has this worm? He couldn't, one miracle of Quran.
Oh come on. You can't really think this can you? Mohammad lived in a place where there were pigs. Or he had friends that lived where there were pigs. There's other meat out there that will make you sick as well - in fact ANY meat can make you sick if it's not cooked properly. Beef (e-coli) chicken (salmonella), sushi (you name it, it's in there), lobster (if it dies before you cook it, it's already spoiled). The real miracle is how Mohammad only managed to identify ONE out of the jillions of types of meat that can make you sick.




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incorrect. 160 degrees needs a presto or a machine to hold the heat to get to 160 degrees Fahrenheit. At the time 1400 years ago till this age, there was no such device. Hence people would have died from disease if they ate pork.
Wrong again. A wood fired oven can get hotter than 750 degrees F. They had ovens back then. Ergo, they could get the meat hotter than 160 degrees.

Direct cooking over a fire can get it even hotter. The coals in a camp fire can be hotter than 2,000 degrees. Wood won't even burn with an open flame below around 530 degrees. All of these temperatures far exceed the minimum safe cooking temperatures of pork.




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Mountains do form by the collision of the Tectonic plates. The tectonic plate then forms an upright position. upright inside earth like a needle. The length of a mountain inside earth is bigger than outside earth. These help to get the lava stable, not 100% fixed, but stable. Without this "Natural technology" continents and islands would be shifting quickly. This has been mentioned in the Quran. Its in one of the videos, “creation of the universe" I think.
You are wrong. If it was mentioned in the Quran, then the Quran is wrong. The videos are wrong too. Mountains are not nails. Period.


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What is this... We, who know real science? You are obviously saying that people who beleive in God, don’t know real science and people who don't, they do know real science. This is absolute crap.
And an absolute misinterpretation of what I said. I didn't say EVERYONE who believes in a God is ignorant. I said that people who get the entirety of their science knowledge from a religious text, one I might add which has never been subjected to scientific peer review, are setting themselves up to believe untruths, and are setting themselves up to never learn any new information.

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Many people who believe in God are scientists. Even Einstein believed that there is a creator. My friend, a good beleiver and muslim, graduated as an honors list CCE and is working as a designer for logic circuits (CPUs) for a chip manufacturer. I studied computer science and program portals, ecommerce solutions, and can fix electronics
Well, that's nice, but fixing computers does not mean you know anything factually correct about geology or chemistry. Einstein believed in a creator, but didn't buy the yarn that the creator made everything in 7 days. You can believe in a god without having to 100% believe in everything the religious book about that god tells you.



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Studied biology, probability, engineering, digital circuits and others. I don't want to and don't like to brag. I'm just showing you that your statement is unfounded "we, who actually know science.."
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but anyone who thinks nothing was hotter than 160 degrees until modern times, and who thinks mountains are nails that hold the world still, and who does not understand the principles of evolution (whether you believe in it or not, you can at least understand what it actually says), does not know science.
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