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Originally Posted by powerclown
Point taken.
I would give 2 quick, contemporary, obvious examples to the contrary: Japan & Germany post-WW2.
Transformed by violence into modern, dignified, thriving, contributing, empowered, leading societies engaged peacefully with the rest of the world, despite ethnic and religious differences.
The point is that there is, I believe, productive violence, and non-productive violence.
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They became decent countries not because of, but DESPITE the mindless violence. Violence produces pain, suffering, death, and is the exact opposite of progress. The reasons for Japan and Germany beign successful now are extremly complicated, but they do not invclude violence.