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Old 03-09-2006, 11:39 AM   #12 (permalink)
noahfor
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CSflim I understand and have been understanding what you are saying.

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What other thing am I refering to, or what causes my use of this word, which to me appears to refer to my own consciousness?
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developed to refer to something other than consciousness, but maybe analogous in some way to consciousness, and we interpret it as refering to what we call consciousness
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Everything I perceive or think has some analogy in the brain
I guess maybe my use of the word 'analogous' and 'analogy' are confusing or incorrect, it's probably the wrong word, but I'm talking about the same thing you are. In your example, I would say the algorithm is 'analogous' to the structure or happening or sequence inside the computer, so you can see I've been saying the same thing all along.

However, in your example, maybe the structure inside the computer can be thought of as representing the brain, but what is keeping me from saying that the algorithm doesn't just represent the word 'consciousness' and not actual consciousness. The word generates the structure, instead of the other way around. The conclusion is that a representation of 'consciousness' is missing in your example, which doesn't really prove or disprove anything.

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"mind is what the brain does".
Yea, but that can't be all it is. Of course, right now my brain is what is typing this and talking about it, so obviously it can be all there is, and it has no idea what I am seeing, and yet it is the one talking about it, but it must be refering to something else, some sequence of neurons, that behave in exactly the same way as what I perceive. What is this more it is refering to, which I perceive as being me.

And I realize by saying this I'm proving that I don't know what you are talking about.



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Words define....that is all they are intended to do. It would seem to me the word "consciousness" is an attempt to explain the act of examining/defining Self. As for a word acting on the Brain, this is a given as it is the brain that allows the word to exist in the first place, and it is the brain that created the word as well as the need for the word.
But examining and conscious are the same thing. I still don't believe a sense of self is neccessary for consciousness. How does one have a sense of self before one is conscious? But I agree that the brain created the word, but it created it for something else, some structure or happening in the brain that results in consciousness, and acts and behaves just like consciousness, but in consciousness it refers to something else, something which has nothing to do with the brain.

The same could be said for green. Green isn't in the brain, and at the same time it is. The brain is able to refer to green in a way that is harmonious with the way 'I refer' to it.


I just think consciousness/awareness/sense/perception is something more, but I do realize whatever is the cause for me to type that has no idea, even though it seems it does. I realize there is something to that. Why can't I just accept that there isn't something more, otherwise how could the brain be saying something about something more if there is more. I don't know. There is and there isn't.
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