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smooth · 03-06-2006, 09:10 AM

I went to little green footballs and couldn't find any details about school papers being shut down over this. It'd be nice to post a link, since that's a blog of some sort and there's a lot of info unrelated to this issue on the front page.

I'm also confused how you turn this into a free press issue (except in the case of domestic censorship). At least, I don't know how many of the people arguing for freedom of speech/press in this thread believe our freedoms in that regard extend to the Dutch press, the middle east, and for that matter the right not to have people offended and responding.

It's always been many of these same people's argument that you have the right to say what you want, but be prepared if someone else doesn't like it and does something in return....but that shouldn't be considered censorship, etc. to those people (ustwo included). Some of them were chief supporters of the violence and intimidation demonstrated to the Dixie Chicks when they were speaking out against Bush as president.

The standard reply is that censorship is only done by the government (in context of our constitutional rights, anyway) and then only by our domestic government in relation to domestic affairs. There isn't any of these people who thought other rights extend beyond our nation's boundaries. At least, that was the argument against providing Afghanistan and Iraqi "enemy combatants" legal protections and speedy trials that are required for domestic criminals.

The hue and cry about violations of our domestic rights isn't being taken seriously by me. At least not when it's made by someone like Ustwo. I just don't see his argument consistent with other arguments he's made in the past. I imagine at least some of the cartoon authors hold similar views as he does, and would play an inconsistent martyr as the cartoon above this post does.

03-06-2006, 09:10 AM	#297 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I went to little green footballs and couldn't find any details about school papers being shut down over this. It'd be nice to post a link, since that's a blog of some sort and there's a lot of info unrelated to this issue on the front page. I'm also confused how you turn this into a free press issue (except in the case of domestic censorship). At least, I don't know how many of the people arguing for freedom of speech/press in this thread believe our freedoms in that regard extend to the Dutch press, the middle east, and for that matter the right not to have people offended and responding. It's always been many of these same people's argument that you have the right to say what you want, but be prepared if someone else doesn't like it and does something in return....but that shouldn't be considered censorship, etc. to those people (ustwo included). Some of them were chief supporters of the violence and intimidation demonstrated to the Dixie Chicks when they were speaking out against Bush as president. The standard reply is that censorship is only done by the government (in context of our constitutional rights, anyway) and then only by our domestic government in relation to domestic affairs. There isn't any of these people who thought other rights extend beyond our nation's boundaries. At least, that was the argument against providing Afghanistan and Iraqi "enemy combatants" legal protections and speedy trials that are required for domestic criminals. The hue and cry about violations of our domestic rights isn't being taken seriously by me. At least not when it's made by someone like Ustwo. I just don't see his argument consistent with other arguments he's made in the past. I imagine at least some of the cartoon authors hold similar views as he does, and would play an inconsistent martyr as the cartoon above this post does. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman