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analog · 03-05-2006, 10:58 AM

These kids lines up and did the speed limit. Bottlenecking, unsafe following distances, rage, passing on the shoulder (and as one person in this very thread suggested, passing BETWEEN the cars? How fucked up is that?), etc., are all things the other drivers did. They didn't have to follow closely, that was their decision. All those other things were choices made by those other people. Was there influence? No more influence than you'd find in anyone's environment.

I'm coming out of the grocery store. What separates me from getting to my car 5 seconds faster depends on whether or not there was someone coming out of the door of the store behind me, and I held the door open for them. I am not a victim of the other person's departure from the store, I chose to stop and hold the door open- influence on your environment does not hinder free will... the person behind me did not MAKE me 5 seconds later getting to my car.

The people in the cars behind these kids had their choices- drive safely under the abnormal conditions, or behave like fucking morons. A few of them chose the latter. Such is being human.

(As for complaining about cellphones, we're not derailing this thread by rehashing that old argument, thanks)

03-05-2006, 10:58 AM	#35 (permalink)
analog Banned	These kids lines up and did the speed limit. Bottlenecking, unsafe following distances, rage, passing on the shoulder (and as one person in this very thread suggested, passing BETWEEN the cars? How fucked up is that?), etc., are all things the other drivers did. They didn't have to follow closely, that was their decision. All those other things were choices made by those other people. Was there influence? No more influence than you'd find in anyone's environment. I'm coming out of the grocery store. What separates me from getting to my car 5 seconds faster depends on whether or not there was someone coming out of the door of the store behind me, and I held the door open for them. I am not a victim of the other person's departure from the store, I chose to stop and hold the door open- influence on your environment does not hinder free will... the person behind me did not MAKE me 5 seconds later getting to my car. The people in the cars behind these kids had their choices- drive safely under the abnormal conditions, or behave like fucking morons. A few of them chose the latter. Such is being human. (As for complaining about cellphones, we're not derailing this thread by rehashing that old argument, thanks) Last edited by analog; 03-05-2006 at 11:01 AM..