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Old 03-05-2006, 03:45 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Well at least they got around to correcting their error.
Ustwo, you seem to be someone who wants to make doubly sure that the "facts" get published.

The "fact" is..... http://www.factcheck.org/article344.html arrived at the opinion in the next quote box. I can accept it, and remind everyone, once more, that Bush's <b>"I don't think anybody anticipated...insert disaster on my watch, HERE"</b> response is eerily similar to his <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=2018456&postcount=30">9/16/01 response</a> to the 9/11 attacks.
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http://www.factcheck.org/article344.html
<b>........Nobody anticipated breach of the levees?</b>

In an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on September 1, President Bush said:

Bush: I don’t think anyone anticipated breach of the levees …Now we’re having to deal with it, and will.

Bush is technically correct that a "breach" wasn't anticipated by the Corps, but that's doesn't mean the flooding wasn't forseen. It was. But the Corps thought it would happen differently, from water washing over the levees, rather than cutting wide breaks in them.

Greg Breerword, a deputy district engineer for project management with the Army Corps of Engineers, told the New York Times:

Breerword: We knew if it was going to be a Category 5, some levees and some flood walls would be overtopped. We never did think they would actually be breached.

And while Bush is also technically correct that the Corps did not "anticipate" a breach – in the sense that they believed it was a likely event – at least some in the Corps thought a breach was a possibility worth examining.

According to the Times-Picayune, early in Bush's first term FEMA director Joe Allbaugh ordered a sophisticated computer simulation of what would happen if a category 5 storm hit New Orleans. Joseph Suhayda, an engineer at Louisana State University who worked on the project, described to the newspaper in 2002 what the simulation showed could happen:

Subhayda: Another scenario is that some part of the levee would fail. It's not something that's expected. But erosion occurs, and as levees broke, the break will get wider and wider. The water will flow through the city and stop only when it reaches the next higher thing. The most continuous barrier is the south levee, along the river. That's 25 feet high, so you'll see the water pile up on the river levee.

Whether or not a "breach" was "anticipated," the fact is that many individuals have been warning for decades about the threat of flooding that a hurricane could pose to a set below sea level and sandwiched between major waterways.............
At this late date, with <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186634,00.html">Foxnews March 2 Polling</a> revealing the effects of the relatively small amount of accurate, thorough, negative coverage of the Bush regime, compared to what the potential actually is, your "take" continues to disturb me. The sheer volume of factoids that you are required to put aside, or overlook, just to maintain your unwavering belief system is astounding. Rest assured, it will not grow smaller.

Note that Foxnews' own poll result shows a 14 point preference for a shift to Democratic control of the House in the November election. (On TV, Fox actually displayed the numbers as "48 percent" for Democratic party candidates, vs. "34 percent" for Republicans. In print, the best Fox can admit to is:
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186634,00.html
......Furthermore, by a 14-percentage point margin voters think it would be better for the country if Democrats win control of Congress in this year’s election, up from an 8-point edge in early February and 11 points in January...........
I agree with you that the AP is "the enemy".....on March 2, the "naughty" AP reported that
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...8G32A900.shtml
........_Bush declared four days after the storm, <b>"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees"</b> that gushed deadly flood waters into New Orleans. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility _ and Bush was worried too............
Thankfully, and I'm sure that <b>your opinion is, correctly, too.</b> The Washington Post, NY Times, and USA Today, all omitted that pesky 'lil Bush quote from their reporting.....
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/02/na...02katrina.html
.....Mayor C. Ray Nagin of New Orleans watched parts of the videoconferences and said he now had a "realization" that "there was full awareness before the storm, and a promise to do whatever it takes."

"It seems as though they were aware of everything," Mr. Nagin said. "It surprises me that, if there was that kind of awareness, why was the response so slow."

Democrats on Capitol Hill saw the transcripts as offering a new opportunity to criticize the president's handling of the disaster, and they took it.

"Despite the president's claims, the federal government was clearly not 'fully prepared' for this disaster," Senator Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana, said in a statement...........
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101731_pf.html
A newly leaked video recording of high-level government deliberations the day before Hurricane Katrina hit shows disaster officials emphatically warning President Bush that the storm posed a catastrophic threat to New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, and a grim-faced Bush personally assuring state leaders that his administration was "fully prepared" to help.

The footage, taken of a videoconference of federal and state officials on Aug. 28, offered an unusually vivid glimpse of real-time decision making by an administration that has vigorously guarded its internal deliberations.

Reactions to the tape, which was obtained by the Associated Press, varied widely -- reflecting the intense debate that has brewed for six months about who should be held accountable for an initially flaccid government response to the catastrophe.

Democrats said the tape shows Bush being warned in urgent terms of the potential magnitude of the storm, making it less defensible that the administration did not act with more dispatch to be ready.

White House officials said the footage reinforces what they have said to critics: that the president, at his Texas vacation home, was fully engaged from the opening hours of the emergency, while leaving operational decisions to the agencies in charge.............
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http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...tape02.art.htm
.........Bush appeared on the tape sitting at a table in a small room at his Crawford, Texas, ranch. He didn't ask any questions. He told state officials that the federal government was prepared to handle the storm and its aftermath.

�I want to assure the folks at the state level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm, but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm,� he said.

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said the tapes offered �nothing new or insightful.� He said transcripts from days of similar pre- and post-Katrina briefings were released months ago as part of a congressional investigation into the government's failure to prepare for and respond to Katrina.

It wasn't clear Wednesday whether the Aug. 29 briefing's transcript obtained by the AP had previously been released. Homeland Security released the transcript Wednesday..........
So....Ustwo, it seems that the only news reporting that was "naughty" enough to threaten your belief system, posted a correction to their "Newly Discovered Video of pre-Katrina Official Briefing of Bush story." Since the "Liberal Media" in the other three reports didn't mention the Bush <b>"No one could have...blah blah blah...</b> quote in question, Bush is off the "hook", as is your belief system....except for those Foxnews March 2 polling numbers...........and these pesky little examples of a "Liberal Media" that wasn't so "one sided" in it's "reporting"....or so obviously "out to get Bush", either.

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