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Old 03-02-2006, 03:10 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by docbungle
That would definitely throw someone for a loop, but obviously things don't work that way.
Except that for a transsexual, that's exactly how it feels. They have something profound inside them that tells them that their body is not the sex it is supposed to be. Her mind is already female.

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If a man feels as if he needs to be a woman, or feels as if he actually is a woman, then that man is confused. Nothing wrong with that, but when he decides to have "sexual reassignment surgery," as someone put it, that doesn't make him a woman. It makes him a confused man with altered body parts. He is still the same person he was. He is not a she.
Sexual reassignment surgery is the standard terminology, primarily because it is accompanied by a legal change of sex. We are assigned a sex at birth based on a visual inspection of our genitals, and SRS changes that assignment to reflect the new genitals. GRS, or genital reconstruction surgery is another common term, but SRS is the most common.

If someone starts with a female mind and male body, then alters that body to a female form, that person then has a female mind and a morphically female body. That is what we call a woman.

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Now I know every once in a while someone is born with visual sexual complications but that is not what we're talking about here.
You're correct. Ambiguous or abnormal physical sexual characteristics disqualify one from being classified as transsexual. One of the prerequisites is that the transsexual have normal primary sexual characteristics.

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And if you want to be a woman....well, too bad; you're not a woman. Mutilating yourself might fool some people in regards to your appearance, but you are still the same man you always were.
How do you define what makes a person a man? That's the unstated assumption all of your statements are based upon, and it isn't exactly clear what that basis is. Is it genetics, birth assignment, primary sexual characteristics, secondary sexual characteristics, mental compositon, or something else?

SRS is not mutilation. It used to be, it used to leave a mutilated mess that resembled no human set of genitals, but it's been a long time since that was true. Modern SRS techniques routinely produce genitals that are indistiguishable from biological ones in appearance and sexual function, at least for MTF surgery from a competent surgeon, of which there are many.

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And will be for your entire life, surgery or not.
If a person feels female in that person's mind, has a body that is in appearance and function female, is legally and socially female, is treated by others as female, doesn't it make more sense to refer to that person as a female and not a male?

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You can do a lot of lying to yourself, but all the people you know, all the women you slept with, your brothers and sisters and your mother and father will all know you are a man who is confused.
You are factually wrong here. It is not a matter of opinion or interpretation, you are just factually absolutely wrong.

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And again, that's fine. But you shouldn't be allowed to go through that transformation in front of these school kids.
She didn't. She went through it on a surgeon's table, most likely in Bankok, Thailand, far, far away from the kids.

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