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Originally Posted by Seaver
so·cial·ism Audio pronunciation of "socialism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)
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1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
So, our government is built around Capitalism. Socialism is owned collectively between the people and the government. How does that work with the basis of our constitution of limited government powers?
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Why does everyone think that democracy and socialism are mutually exclusive? Anyway.....as a socialist, I can appreciate the governmentally enforced rights, self regulating 3 branch government, and representation of the people and their interests. Those are three really big parts of America. ALSO, socialism does not necessarily need centralized government. In fact, in my perfect world, we there would be community states that are each under socialist rule, and each of those communities would meet in a parliment and discuss the various needs and abilities of each community state. Trade, relations, and treaties would be handled by elected officials. The thing is that while wikipedia and dictionary.com are great places for information, they are really vague when it comes to something like socialism. Socialism is a blanket term that covers so many diverse governmental, economic, and social systems that it requires volumes of information...not a few sentences.
Back to the reason we are discussing socialsim.....Texans don't think people from Berkley are patriotic. This goes along with "liberals hate America", "lefties are sissies" and "Kerry is a flip flopper". It really doesn't mean anything. I've never met you and you've never met me...and yet you have assumed that I am not patriotic. The problem, as I have stated several times, is that the term patriotic is subjective. I think it's extremly patriotic that I've been arrested for being in over 12 protests since the beginning of the Iraqi war. I think it's damned patriotic that I'm doing everything I can to expose the current administration as a group of traitors. If you don't think so, that's great for you, but don't go calling me unpatriotic. Everyone who thinks they are patrioitc is patriotic. It's really that simple. To say that the south is more patriotic than somewhere else is niave and disrespectful to everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
You dont understand. I'm not talking about the litteral flag. I'm talking about what it means to the people. So while the Confederate flag means slavery to you, it doesnt mean that's what it means to everyone else. The Iraqi flag means their country to the Kurds, not the country that has been mass-killing them for a hundred years.
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The comparison doesn't hold up. Maybe if, hundreds of years from now, the families of the parties responsible for the chemical attacks on the Kurds are the only ones to sport the current Iraqi flag, and the country has long since united and managed to almost forget the atrocity...then maybe the comparison would be correct. Until then, it's apples and oranges for this coversation.