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Originally Posted by Seaver
Willravel, the Confederate flag is something you wont understand until you live in the South. It took me 4 years to get to the point of realizing that to many people it's not about the right to slavery or a revolt against the US. It's about standing up for what you believe no matter what the odds, and fighting long past the point where most would give up. Thus, you can see the point of Pride and Patriotism where they coexist even though the exact definitions dont.
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If the confederate flag stands for the underdog and fighting for what you believe in, then so does the swastika. The roots of the confedarate flag and the confedaracy are obvious, and the connotations are blatent.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
A great example where this applies is the Kurds in Iraq. While they fought a continuous fight for the past 100 years, with almost no hope of winning, enduring massacre after massacre... they still have Iraqi national Pride. During the Iran/Iraq war many people volunteered for the Iraqi army even though Saddam constantly massacred them. They sided with Iraq even though Iran supplied them with arms, protected them during their exodus, and had more Kurds in the country than Iraq. Yet during this they still actively fought for Kurdistan. So you can see how they have great regional pride while having patriotism.
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But the Kurds aren't sporting a flag that represents slavery, while trying to tell people it's simply about fighting for what you believe in.
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Originally Posted by Seaver
Thus your argument about the Confederate flag flying in the face of Patriotism, and Berkley (home of more socialists and communists than I've seen anywhere else) is in fact the most patriotic place in the US is just... wrong.
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I'm a socialist. I am patriotic. I love my country. I love my constitution. I love my Bill fo Rights. I love my deomcracy. My very existence proves my point.
Edit: the reason I pointed out Berkley is that it is extreemly liberal. WHave you ever wondered why you hear about so many protests in Berkley? Because we are fighting for the benifit of the US. It's not to undermine democracy or because we hate America.