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Martian · 03-01-2006, 02:41 AM

Keyshawn - After reading the novel, I thought the film Fight Club sort of warped Palahniuk's original message.

Tyler is all anti-culture because the narrator is, essentially. The difference is that the narrator doesn't have the nerve to do anything about it. Tyler essentially acts out the narrator's desires; yet in the end, Tyler nearly destroys the narrator (which was changed in the film to a somewhat happier ending). Tyler isn't about balance. He's the anti-consumer. He's an extreme. I see it as asking a question more than giving a moral message; Palahniuk, through Durden and the author is examining the world we live in and asking is the grass really so much greener?

I don't think I gave any plot points away. Spoiler tag averted.

But yeah, the bit you said about counter-culture being a marketing tool is absolutely true. New Found Glory, anyone? Sum 41? Anyone? Anyone?

Back on topic, I'll nominate The Wall.

EDIT - In a sense, you could argue that any movie is about a philosophy of sorts. A film is like any other medium; it's made to convey a message or idea. Even something like Die Hard has a message to it and is therefore attempting to tell the viewer something. Implicit in that is that the viewer will ask questions and possibly change his view of the world, even if that change of perspective amounts to 'Bruce Willis is the greatest fucking action hero that ever lived.'

Film is art, of a sort. And art and philosophy are, in my opinion, very closely related.

03-01-2006, 02:41 AM	#34 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	Keyshawn - After reading the novel, I thought the film Fight Club sort of warped Palahniuk's original message. Tyler is all anti-culture because the narrator is, essentially. The difference is that the narrator doesn't have the nerve to do anything about it. Tyler essentially acts out the narrator's desires; yet in the end, Tyler nearly destroys the narrator (which was changed in the film to a somewhat happier ending). Tyler isn't about balance. He's the anti-consumer. He's an extreme. I see it as asking a question more than giving a moral message; Palahniuk, through Durden and the author is examining the world we live in and asking is the grass really so much greener? I don't think I gave any plot points away. Spoiler tag averted. But yeah, the bit you said about counter-culture being a marketing tool is absolutely true. New Found Glory, anyone? Sum 41? Anyone? Anyone? Back on topic, I'll nominate The Wall. EDIT - In a sense, you could argue that any movie is about a philosophy of sorts. A film is like any other medium; it's made to convey a message or idea. Even something like Die Hard has a message to it and is therefore attempting to tell the viewer something. Implicit in that is that the viewer will ask questions and possibly change his view of the world, even if that change of perspective amounts to 'Bruce Willis is the greatest fucking action hero that ever lived.' Film is art, of a sort. And art and philosophy are, in my opinion, very closely related. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame Last edited by Martian; 03-01-2006 at 02:45 AM..