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Old 02-28-2006, 12:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
asaris
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Sorry if this repeats anything said already -- I just noticed there's a second page now.... I really like Anxst's post, btw.

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Originally Posted by RCAlyra2004
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Point 1 for asaris:

Here are some of the "Holy sites" listed as shrines to the religion and ideology of Naziism (spelling?)
The fact that you put 'holy sites' in quotes, and later on characterize the Nazis as 'pseudo-religious' and borrowing elements from Catholicism, indicates that the Nazis as such weren't truly religious, that they only used religion to further their own ends.

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Stalin did Kill... he Killed a lot. Whats your point?... this dicussion is about the fact that religious beleif makes it easier (at times) for people to demonize and kill each other.
Well, to the extent that you're willing to say that any system of belief, not just religious belief, makes it easier to kill, I guess I don't really disagree with you. Anything worth living for is worth dying for, and it's quite a short step from something's being worth dying for, and that thing's being worth killing for.

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Here is what your actual answer should have been: Jesus ushered in the New covenant.
That doesn't work since Christ says he came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. Because of specific commands in the NT, we can ignore the purity laws of the OT. But it's not clear that the laws you cite are purity laws, so I just didn't want to go into that.

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There are many New Testament scriptures that, if taken out of context can be used to justify killing. It is not fair to use these to make my point. BUT it is important to note that they have been taken out of context and HAVE been used to justify killing in Jesus name during the Spanish inquisition and other such events.
This is interesting and leads to my larger point here. Yes, Christians killed people during the Spanish inquisition, but the Catholic church actually objected to the harshness of the Spanish inquisition, much the same way as it objected to the harsh treatment of the Native Americans in the New World. The point is, religion in general and Christianity in particular has been responsible for a lot of good things in the world, not just some of the bad things. That's what sets religion apart from Stalinism or Nazism. Those two didn't contribute anything good to the world, where Christianity contributed science, the university, abolition of slavery, civil rights, and that's just Christianity and just off the top of my head. To focus on the bad things that have been done in the name of Christianity and religion is to skew the picture, and to skew it rather badly.
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