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Okay....what would have to occur before some of you would lean toward a reaction that "storming the palace" was an option to end the malfeasance and abuse of power practiced by the ruling elite, that could be embraced as a gesture of patriots risking their lives to confront and depose tyrants? Would callous and deliberate misuse of the lives of our soldiers by their CIC in an illegal invasion of another country, be justification? Did the POTUS do that?

We don't know....and he has blocked three investigations that could have cleared or indicted him, his actions, and motives...... Was the POTUS legitimately elected in 2000, or in 2004? We don't know...and the stench still lingers....

Your responses exhibit alarming complacency and distraction. The ruling administration has deliberately avoided, for three years....an investigation to determine whether it intentionally manipulated intelligence as an excuse to start an unnecessary war. If their actions were proper, why did they demand that the 9/11 and Silverman Commisions, and the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, avoid investigating those circumstances?

In the mid 1770's, would the founders of our country have reacted similarly to the thread starter, as most of you seem to be reacting, given the following state of affairs? Why the knee-jerk, polite deference to the current administration's outrageous disregard for accountability? Just this week, we note the following from the head of the 9/11 Commission. (The 9/11 Commission and the Silverman Commission on Intelligence were specifically blocked by the Bushies from investigating whether the administration improperly manipulated intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq. In July, 2004, and again in Nov., 2005, Senate Intel. Committee Chair Pat Roberts promised to finish the "Phase II" portion of that committee's investigation into that controversy...it still hasn't happened, three yeara after the Iraq invasion:
Cumulatively, isn't everything listed in this post, still just a smattering of examples that do not include an oil industry friendly energy policy that screws average Americans, a hemorrhage of trade and budget debt that threatens the national security, an assault on EPA enforcement and credibility that included deliberately exposing post 9/11 recovery workers and residents to known but concealed health risks from contaminated air and dust, <b>enough of a justification to convince a couple of you to be less reasonable, or angrier, or more outraged at Bushco and the repub congress, than at the statements in the threadstarter?</b> After all...are the ideas in that inflammatory article, more or less troubling than the track record of the entrenched, ruling officials?

The world has turned upside down. I am persuaded by events since election day, 2000, and the contents of the following article, that it is already too late to take stock of what has actually happened to "free-dumb" and our former system of constitutionally mandated checks and balances, to reverse the course that some of us actually recognize that "we, the people", are actually on.

Most of your comments are indicative of the conclusion that it is, sadly, too late to reverse the coup, and the only thing left to do is to swiftly take up residence in another country. Who among you can convince even yourselves that what has happened to our country in terms of political "leadership", is the result of the "intent" of the voters?

Do not let the following article distract you from the fact that it is just one bit of information that accompanies the torture policies, pre-emptive war, collapse of house and senate ethics oversight, the staged inability of the federal government to muster a timely air defense of the east coast skies, or Katrina disaster relief, or an orderly roll out of an easy to understand medicare drug benefit that logically exploits it's buying power to the benefit of taxpayers and recipients. Consider that your government has reversed a late 90's policy of aggressive declassification of documents to a policy of classifying a majority of all new documents and the re-classifying of formerly de-classified documents. Consider that the FISA court has been discredited as "too slow" and no longer trusted to deal with secret intelligence. Consider that there were 12 names on the "no fly" list on 9/11, and more recently there were 30,000 requests by folks asking that there names be removed from that list, even though it isn't possible to completely delete names. Consider that your POTUS has the lowest approval rating since Nixon, and that his Veep's approval rating is lower than Nixon's. Consider 2300 dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq, and the comments the other day by a U.S. Senator that an additional "20 to 30,000" were wounded. Consider that the sole Iraqi security force battalion that was rated able to fight on it's own, has been downgraded, just as Iraq descends into a civil war.

While a defense of the status quo and the "rule of law" is reasonable in most circumstances, how do you think that Jefferson, Hamilton, Henry, or Franklin would react to the thread starter under present circumstances? <b>The same way as you are?</b>
More <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-soby-jr/whistleblower-charged-wit_b_16411.html">background</a> to the following report: (The word "system(s)" in the following article, refers to Diebold's suspicious "software"....)

In this <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpost.php?p=1543718&postcount=8">post</a> on a TFP thread in Nov., 2004, I brought you the editorial reaction to Diebold's assault on California voters, by the investigating Oakland newspaper.
.....How do any of you know who is legitimately elected, and who isn't ?