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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I'm not following you here. How do you think we have our government in proper check when they've been able to do the things they've done for the last 30 years?
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No, actually that was my point exactly. The government's been abusing it's power for (far longer than) the last 30 years. Yet I can't have the weapon of my choice. Why is the NRA so excited about protecting the "rights" of gun owners, but they never say anything when blade users get screwed over? It's because 1) the NRA doesn't give a crap about the right to bear arms. They just want their guns and the 2nd is a convenient argument and 2) the 2nd doesn't give the absolute right to bear arms, it gives the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia, and if the NRA started advocating for being allowed to carry swords around, more people would come out of the woodwork and smack 'em down.
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while IED's work great against armor, what about the troops?
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Go look in some of the VA hospitals. You'll notice that IED's do a pretty damn good job at mutilating American troops.
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What about the politicians when we finally corner them?
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And this is why many people should NOT have guns. Now you're advocating shooting unarmed citizens just because you don't like what they do. How is that defending the rights and principles of this country?
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even police are not required to hit the center ring everytime. All that is required is a certain amount of points and thats it.
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I said NEARLY every time, and the cops have a much tougher target requirement than the average schmuck buying a gun.
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It's also not a false sense of security. Guns prevent an
estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day.
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and how many crimes are they used to commit? A lot more than that I'd wager.
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Also, Less than 1% of all gun homicides involve innocent bystanders.
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I'm surprised it's that high since accidental shootings are nearly always classified as manslaughter. Meaningless statistic.
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If you don't know them, how do you know that they aren't proficient?
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I don't know how proficient they are. That's the problem. If we were required to have excellent and ongoing training in order to carry a gun, then I'd KNOW you were proficient if you were allowed to have a gun.
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I also think you are making way more of a problem out of 'accidental' gun deaths than you should be about other causes, like vehicle accidents or pool drownings.
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In this thread, yes. That's because this thread is about guns, not cars or pools. In other threads I've bitched to high heaven about vehicle accident deaths. Don't think I've touched on pool drownings, but I'd probably think of something to say if the thread came up.
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actually, waco wasn't what came to mind for me. I was thinking about other states, not just texas, but you could include waco if you like. when you point out that if the branch had been unable to get guns, what you're really pointing out is that we should all be disarmed, defenseless, and subject to government oppression, yet again.
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No, I'm pointing out that maybe it's not such a good idea to let just anybody build up an arsenal.
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If you'll remember, the DoJ had ALL the media labelling koresh and his followers 'an anti-government pshyco mob bent on destroying the federal government child molesting satan worshipping sacrificial ritual' etc.
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I don't recall the child molesting part. Even the Branch Davidians (there are more of them than just Koresh's groups) admit that Koresh had major issues, so the psycho bit isn't too far off. No one accused them of being satanists that I recall.
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would have been overwhelmed by mobs of angry citizens. What good does a tank do against 100 rushing angry and armed people?
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Um. . .a lot. Pretty hard to get into a tank if the guys inside don't want you there. So the tank can run 'em over / shoot 'em at its leisure.