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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Also, I simply LOVE how some here say America is big into propaganda and misinformation, yet here you are alleging our state participates broadly in torture by our handling of illegal combatants.
You are suckers to Al Qaeda propaganda, memos have been captured atesting to the fact that members are taught in claiming torture, because they know the paper tigers, the cut your nose to spite your face crowd will shrek in horror agains the Evil Empire that America is. Remember when Americans were defacing the Koran at Gitmo?!?! Oh wait that's right it was an Al Qaeda prisoner; all the stink made world wide that led to several deaths at this great and patently false story perpetuated by the likes of the American media and Al Qaeda/Anti-west agents seemed to fall on deaf ears.
I find that funny.
Your nose is bleeding. Are you going to punch back, or tuck your tail?
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Hey our defense department only plants stories in the 'free' iraqi papers, but there's no propaganda.
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Rumsfeld Changes His Story on Planting Reports
Robert Burns / AP | February 22 2006
WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday that the Pentagon is reviewing its practice of paying to plant stories in the Iraqi news media, withdrawing his earlier claim that it had been stopped.
Rumsfeld told reporters he was mistaken in the earlier assertion.
"I don't have knowledge as to whether it's been stopped. I do have knowledge it was put under review. I was correctly informed. And I just misstated the facts," Rumsfeld said at a Pentagon news briefing.
Rumsfeld had said in a speech in New York last Friday and in a television interview the same day that the controversial practice had been stopped.
He said that Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, was reviewing the practice. Previously, Casey has said he saw no reason to stop it....
Earlier Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Rumsfeld had been incorrect in saying on Friday that the practice of paying for positive stories in the Iraqi media had been halted in the wake of negative publicity in the United States.
An official inquiry into the program by Navy Rear Adm. Scott Van Buskirk has been completed but its results have not been publicly released.
In his speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, a foreign-policy think tank, Rumsfeld raised the issue as an example of the U.S. military command in Baghdad seeking "nontraditional means" to get its message to the Iraqi people in the face of a disinformation campaign by the insurgents.
"Yet this has been portrayed as inappropriate -- for example, the allegations of someone in the military hiring a contractor and the contractor allegedly paying someone to print a story -- a true story -- but paying to print a story," he said during his speech.
"The resulting explosion of critical press stories then causes everything -- all activity, all initiative -- to stop, just frozen," he added.
In an appearance Friday on PBS' "The Charlie Rose Show," Rumsfeld said he had not known about the practice of paying for news stories before it became a subject of critical publicity in the United States.
"When we heard about it we said, 'Gee, that's not what we ought to be doing,' and told the people down there," he said.
Although "it wasn't anything terrible that happened," Pentagon officials ordered a halt to the practice and "they stopped doing it," he added, according to a transcript provided by the show.
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Claiming the torture is alleged is pretty fun as well considering the debate is no longer whether or not it's torture, but whether or not you think torture is good or not. Remember that Saddam guy who was bad for torturing, well we picked up right where he left off. Nothing wins the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people like torture.
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US 'aware' of Iraq torture
Herman Grech
The US is "aware" of torture taking place in Iraqi prisons, according to the outgoing Maltese UN human rights chief in Iraq.
"Yes, torture is happening now, mainly in illegal detention places. Such centres are mostly being run by militia that have been absorbed by the police force," says John Pace, who retired last week as human rights chief for the UN assistance mission in Iraq.
In a frank interview with The Times, Dr Pace says photos and forensic records have proved that torture was rife inside detention centres. Though the process of release has been speeded up, there are an estimated 23,000 people in detention, of whom 80 to 90 per cent are innocent.
He says the Baghdad morgue received 1,100 bodies in July alone, about 900 of whom bore evidence of torture or summary execution. That continued throughout the year and last December there were 780 bodies, including 400 having gunshot wounds or wounds as those caused by electric drills.
Dr Pace expresses deep concern over the progress of the Saddam Hussein trial, saying he would have preferred to see the former dictator tried internationally.
After two years serving in Iraq, Dr Pace says that the non-existence of law and order has left society without any protection, clearly reflecting that the US invasion was not properly planned.
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