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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Maybe for the sake of discussion, I would like the tinfoil hat crew to answer a question for me that is directly related to the initial question of this thread.
Where again has my liberty been threatened?
Oh and at our worst in our war on terror our actions are still saintly compared to those of our enemies. Don't forget that.
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Your liberty is being threatened when your government defends the practices of torturing and indefinitely detaining prisoners of war, in violation of international human rights laws, using their classifcation as 'enemy combatants' and not 'prisoners of war' as the cornerstone of their justification. Off-shore torture facilities...who knows, one day it may be loudly dissenting Americans start winding up there? Why should a facility like that even exist?
Your liberty is being threatened when your government seeks to gain the right to arbritrarily spy on any American citizen who they feel might be up 'anti-american' activities. Sure, you may be doing nothing illegal--but what if you're having an affair with somebody, and her husband has a friend in the FBI. What if he could tap both your phone, sniff your e-mail, and see your tax returns, without ever having to go through a judge?
Sadly, it seems a lot of you are completely missing my point. I'm not saying im being oppressed, I'm saying that the way things are going, its very possible that I COULD BE because the things in place to safeguard us from ourselves, such as going before a judge who would never allow the aforementioned jealous husband to spy on his wife and her supposed lover, are disappearing from society. And we're allowing it to happen, in the name of preserving HomeLand Security and the Safety of the American Way Of Life. What could be more un-american than handing over unchecked power to those who could, if they wished, abuse it and in doing so harm us? At what point do you say, "I don't care if a bomb goes off in Times Square, I would rather live in a society which is as safe as possible within the confines of constitutionally protected rights" and when do you say, "Here's the key to my house, I'm gonna go on a vacation, let me know when it's safe and I can have my keys back"