dksuddeth

It wasn't a 'rise' so much as it was to point out that there are thousands of guns in the hands of people who either aren't trained with them, use them for criminal purposes, or are negligent with them. Those were the idiots I was referring to. With regards to the chip implant remark, there is NO WAY to control guns on the street. D.C., New York, and Chicago have tried it for decades and it does NOT work. We live in a reactive world, not a proactive world.

I'm tired of proving people wrong on this point. why is it that some people just refuse to acknowedge that the second amendment is about an INDIVIDUAL right, not a collective right? What you need to do shakran is read all the documentation about how the bill of rights was authored, drafted, and ratified. You also need to read the arguments of the founding fathers who put the BoR together, specifically george mason. Every one of these founders specifically states that the right to bear arms is not only an individual right, but a responsibility to a free state.

JOHN F. KENNEDY, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take
arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of
their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia,' the 'security' of the nation, and the
right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms,' our founding fathers recognized the
essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the
fears of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the Second Amendment, will ever
be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important
declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be
ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the
Second Amendment will always be important."

HUBERT HUMPHREY, FORMER U.S. SENATOR AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter
how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The
right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one
more safeguard against tyranny."

JOHN ADAMS, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
“Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my
limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have
never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I
could not surrender if I would."
"Here, every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this
authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for
their defense, not for offense..."

THOMAS JEFFERSON, AUTHOR OF THE AMERICAN DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
"No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or
tenements)."
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the
people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

PATRICK HENRY, AMERICAN FOUNDING FATHER AND CATALYST FOR THE BILL OF RIGHTS
"The great objective is that every man be armed . . . . Everyone who is able may
have a gun."

SAMUEL ADAMS, MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to
infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the
people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own
arms..."

RICHARD HENRY LEE, MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS
“[W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people
always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use
them;”

ALEXANDER HAMILTON, AUTHOR OF THE FEDERALIST PAPERS
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly
armed."

ZACHARIAH JOHNSON
"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession
of them."
Tell me again that the second amendment does not give a right to a gun.



Thats why we have a justice system so that when you use your firearm in a criminal manner, you face charges.

I agree, waiting periods are useless and should be done away with.

agreed. gun crimes should do the hardest damn time possible, if not the death penalty. screw this 'crime of passion' crap. if you can't be responsible at ALL times, don't have a gun.

why should the average citizen be required to train or qualify with expectations beyond what our own law enforcement are required to do?

there is a HUGE difference between a hunting accident and clear violations of law with intent to do harm. this isn't even a bad comparison, it just sucks.

I do not need an AK47 to kill a deer, but I will need that AK to fight off armed gangs of thugs or the government, should they decide that the rest of the country needs to be disarmed like they did in new orleans.

Do you realize the political ramifications if our government were to dispense military weaponry against a large portion of the populace? A standing army of 3 million, no matter how well armed, could never fight off a 'militia' of over 100 million. If you wish to stop hearing the argument that we need to be able to fight back against a tyrannical government then you've already submitted yourself as a willing slave instead of an american.

Every person, group, and population has its limits on what it will tolerate. Do a google search on the 'battle of athens' and see how this works.


so yeah, there's a lot more we could be doing to restrict gun ownership only to those sane enough and responsible enough and proficient enough to use them with a greatly reduced risk to the public.[/QUOTE]

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