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Old 02-21-2006, 09:14 AM   #58 (permalink)
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interesting to read the moralizing commentary above, particularly given that, if you actually think about what is being said, it amounts to the usual conservative claptrap about poverty----you get the petit bourgeois mythos of the Heroic Individual which stages individual financial prosperity as a function of one's gumption level, glossed with tedious robert ardrey terminology---that amounts to the adventures of the Entrepreneur overdubbed with duran duran lyrics about being a predator--very sleek, very flattering, wholly arbitrary....

those not enjoying the same access to opportunity (a factor bracketed like everything else concerning the social system by the duran duran school) should get nothing because they deserve nothing (their situation being a function of moral failing)
they should not have access to basic medical care.
they should simply die.
or convert.
why?
because these sleek predator types dont like taxes.
that is all there is to the posts from ustwo and irate above: moralizing nonsense wrapped around a dislike of taxes.
the logic, such as it is, in their posts would apply equally to any and all taxes.
curious that they do not pitch the same kind of claims in conversations about defense spending.
but apparently it is ok to squander enormous sums on systems designed to kill with great mechanical efficiency--but keeping folk alive and/or enabling them to enjoy some minimal quality of life--that is a problem.
go figure.


measures that enabled universal access to health care (and note that no particular plan is being discussed here..this thread is about swatting at imaginary flies) would function to increase system stability over the longer term
(this longer term is obviously hard for the duran duran school to think about, since for them the universe revolves around each and every one, and there is no timeframe not as short as their attention span)
to see arguments for such a system of health care,you would have to be capable of thinking about capitalism as a system, of looking at the long-term history of actually existing capitalism and not flee into the reassuring world of econ 101 diagrams and neoliberal ideology so as to avoid that history--if you looked at this history of capitalist systems, you would see--is is obvious---that capitalism has and continues to function at cross purposes with its own requirements for social reproduction. universal health care would be among the measures that could be implemented in the interest of compensating for the consequences of capitalism (as a mode of production).

this would entail the view that the distribution of wealth and opportunity is a political function---nothing about the views from the right above would allow you to get to this space because everything about these views is geared toward depoliticizing economic activity.
so maybe we should take this depoliticization seriously.
not only do i fail to see the analytic value of conservative economic ideology, so also i do not understand why conservative posts about economic activities are proper to a politics thread--perhaps another forum on rightwing fairy tales would suit them better.
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