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Originally Posted by willravel
I'm talking about "pre-exixsting right" vs. legal right. It seems you think that capitol punishment is legal right, and free speech is a pre-exixsting right.
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pre-existing rights are those that we are born with. Legal rights, as in determining forms of punishment (like capital punishment) for certain crimes are societal rights. Society has the right to attempt to deter crime or force justice upon those that violate others natural rights.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I'm talking about your afore mentioned pre-exixsting rights. You mention these rights as possibly being enforced by a government, but being rooted in something more inate(?). This would imply that there are some rights that exist without government or societal organization.
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Pre-existing rights are not enforced by government, although they are supposed to be protected by the courts when the government attempts to usurp them without the peoples approval. When the government usurps these rights and the court does not stop them, it is up to the people to take them back.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I guess there is no defined list, but what is your list? Would it be the same as my list? Would it be the same as George Cloony's list?
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My list of natural rights would have to be classified the same as what the founders did. We have ALL our rights available but to list them would be opening up the possibility of limiting our rights to just those that are listed and thats not what rights should be about.