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Originally Posted by pigglet
ummm...if I find an incredibly gorgeous woman, who is also mentally challenged and has limited capacity to make her own decisions and says "yes" to any question I ask her...am I free to ask her "can I have sex you?" and pending the "yes" hop on break it down? I would compare that level of consent to the type of consent that a horse can provide in this circumstance.
how about child molestation? a child can give consent, but does it mean anything in this sense?
and me, i'd feel pretty bad about having sex with a mentally challenged girl, who technically consented. i think i might even feel like i'd raped her.
I really just can't see equating horsefucking, in any sense, with fucking a person of the same sex, or multiple people at once...
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Well put, Pigglet.
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The difference between this and your examples are the fact that yours involve humans. Animals are under different laws. If you want to kill your pets you can, if done in a 'humane' way. Live stock is slaughtered and eaten and we wear their skin. As long as the animal wasn't hurt, what harm was done to it? Does it feel violated and unclean in the animal kingdom? Does it no longer enjoy sex with other horses due to the trauma? Animals are not retarded people, nor do we treat them as such in any case but apparently this.
This is an interesting subject to play devils advocate on as it shows even the most tolerant of people become intolerant once they find their 'ick' factor.
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I don't understand what you and others are trying to say here. It seems like everyone is so afraid to say bestiality is wrong because it would mean homosexuality is wrong. I'm sorry, but since when are laws made by humans the deciding factors in all world issues? We are not gods (regardless of what some of us would like to think). Take a look at the effects we've made on the world around us doing things that are legal (read: pollution, extinction, depleting natural resources and rich lands...I think you get the point). Honestly, I wouldn't quote laws in the US as reasons why bestiality is right. Laws can be changed and don't encompass everything.
Furthermore, there are people who believe that animals should not be killed for food or coats, and while, yes, animals can be killed in a humane way, why should it be our decision when other living beings on the planet live or die?
...And why, if we consider it "humane" to kill animals in pain and misery, is it inhumane to kill humans in the same or worse conditions?
I'm not trying to start a debate on that, but I'm trying to make a point that the law is really just about morals or opinions of the lawmaker at the time. There are many different opinions and outlooks on these things. Who can say which is correct? Laws get changed all the time.
I have to add that, a) You can't take away an animal's ability to get pleasure from sex becuase most animals don't get pleasure from sex.
b) Yeah, animals are not retarded people. That's true. But Homosexual people are not animals either. I really just don't think you can make a comparison between SANE, thinking individuals who can speak to us and either retarded people OR animals(who may not be insane, but have no way of communicating whether they want to have sex with us or not. Even if that male horse brought out his penis, who's to say he wanted to have sex with the man? Have any of you guys ever gotten an erection from a girl who you didn't actually have any desire to have sex with? The right stimulation can do wonders).
Which brings me to my next point: to whoever said that horses can't be forced to do anything. Um, yeah, maybe if you try to move a horse by leaning on it or something, but...if you can't force it to do anything, what do you think we're doing when riding and training them?
Just like humans, I'm pretty sure other animals can be coaxed into having sexual reactions from the right stimulation. Yet I'm pretty sure MOST horses don't go rushing over to mount human beings every time they see one. If they WERE consenting individuals who WANTED to have sex with the human, don't you think they might make the first moves once in a while? Don't you think someone would notice if horses were running around raping humans?