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Originally Posted by samcol
So you think it's OK that they were willing to propagandize and/or provoke a war in order to sell it to the US and UN? Then in hindsight we find out that that's exactly what they did. Is that really acceptable?
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Yes, though there really wasn't much we needed to sell.
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
It was the oil. It is what it is always about in the middle east.
If the middle east didn't have oil, it would just be another africa, barely on the US radar. Nearly all the extremists that have any power in the middle east have that power because of the west's desire for oil and the popping up of regimes like the Shah in Iran and the Sauds in Saudia Arabia...
Iraq is just another link in a chain.
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Give the man a cigar! Of course oil was the root of it all, because oil is what has given these nutballs the money to become dangerous to the West. This stage of our development REQUIRES vast amounts of oil, and through some cosmic comic slip up, mother nature happened to put much of it in that part of the world.
So we have the beautiful mix of a clash of cultures which has been around since the Arabs started to invade the West, something which we barely escaped the first few times. Constantinople may have fallen, but we all owe them a debt of gratitude. And now the same mind set which hasn't changed in 1500 years happens to control a large portion of a vital resource.
The only issue is how long the left is going to deny the inevitable that we are in fact at war with radical islam, because the longer we twiddle our thumbs and blame ourselves for the problems, the worse that war is going to be in costs for both sides.
So we can stick our thumbs up our ass, ignore the signs of the future (such as the reaction to a editoral cartoon), and pretend nothing bad is going to happen, or we strike now when we have all the advantages.