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Old 02-01-2006, 02:59 PM   #54 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I read books on Walmart, Mcdonalds, GE, IBM, Ford, Standard Oil, and on many other Fortune 500 companies. Never read a word about government lloans being used as start-up money.

You don't like Walmart, but Walmart was a "mom and pop" business once.

Can I ask a loaded question? What kind of computer are you using? Dell? Gateway? HP? Apple? If you dislike Walmart why don't you dislike these companies the same way? Why do you buy their products? Remember the llate '80's and the early 90's when there were thousands of personal computer makers? What happened? Was it good or bad? Wasn't Dell, Gateway, HP Apple, all "mom and pop" at one point? If you ruled the world how would you have deloped the PC market? Consider these rhetorical questions, just something to think about.

I will never change the way you view the world, but you seem like a thoughtful person and I am sure one day you will change your economic point of view.

The basis of my views are grounded in the fact that it is a dog eat dog world. I have no understanding of how your views are developed, and therefore I don't understand your point of view.

As sled dogs would say: the view ain't pretty, unless you are the lead dog.

Actually, I have an MSI MEGA System that is damned good. Only problems I have had in the 2 years I've had it were viruses and that was my fault.

The limited was a mom and pop shop, many were. As for Dell, Gateway, H&P and so on. They are manufacturers. Yes, I am not keen on the cheapness of some of the product but there are many to choose from and like I said I weighed in on many options, some cheaper offering the same specs. some more expensive with better specs. but was sold on the MEGA system and I have no regrets.

My economic view is that which I believe is the most feasible, reliant and productive. Call me old world but I am still sold on a country being self sufficient and putting money back into the system by investing in the people, not just spending it foolishly on pork (bridges in Alaska that go nowhere), or tax cuts for the rich but hurt the poor, or for Corporate welfare.

There is no doubt it can be a dog eat dog world.... but there is no sense in throwing the people to the wolves when we have the resources to make sure all those who can and want to be educated and advance, are invested in.

As for Wal*Mart, I wouldn't be so opposed if they practiced ethically but they don't. Illegal aliens to clean the stores, locking people in, paying minimum wages and only hiring p.t. so they don't have to pay benefits, they are the biggest offenders. Ask Rubbermaid what they did to them, simply because Rubbermaid could not lower their prices any further.

Rubbermaid was pulled off the shelves and Sterilite (which they own interest in) came in.... No big deal you say? Well, that's debateable, I feel it is wrong for any company to dictate to another their prices. Wal*Mart could have very easily put BOTH on the shelves and let the consumer decide, instead they used strong arm tactics and coercion and destroyed the company (Rubbermaid still exists but has shipped most jobs out and ended up having to sell to another company, then and only then would Wal*Mart carry them again.)

If you ever have a chance read about RM and W*M and see for yourself what happened.

I also think it's wrong our government doesn't enforce our trademarks, copyrights and patents. Another company I've talked about on here Gorman Rupp has seen sales fall and it's because the Chinese use GR patents and sell dirt cheap. Hell, the Chinese even use the exact same brochures just photoshopped the Mansfield Waterworks truck into a white truck with Chinese written on it.

So yeah, it is dog eat dog but the Wal*Mart - Rubbermaid shows that the biggest retailer uses bad business to rule the industry. And the GR shows that our government, who's job it is to protect the interests of this nation, refuses to do anything about copyright, trademark and patent infringements.

As for my challenge (fortune 500 companies that have used government funds to advance) I'll post that as soon as I get the links up. It's not just loans it grants, land given, corporate welfare, contracts that paid more than market value for items so that it helped the company (remember the $200 screwdrivers and the $1000 toilet seats?) and so on. To say none of those companies ever recieved a penny for government help is false.

So the question that has to be asked is if government can pay millions upon millions to companies, why can't they invest in the people and give the people loans, educations and the needed resources to help advance everyone, not just the select few?
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