In no way did I say that we need to just give people money. We tried that in welfare and it set up a system of abuses and of reliance.
Whereas, my point a government loan, takes the individual's idea and allows the individual to work hard and to grow financially secure.
Mom and pops built this country not Wal*Marts. They may charge a little more but they keep the local economies and governments moving. When Wal*Mart comes in they buy the land at a set price, they get tax abatements, they get basically whatever the Hell they want. In the process they outprice all the competition, hire 95% part-time employees at minimum wages and the competition has to do the same to stay in business to fight the costs. So yes, with Wal*Marts you truly ruin your tax base, you ruin the mom and pops and you ruin the infrastructure that much more.
If we are truly bringing in more tax money and we have a GOP Congress and a GOP president that are supposedly "conservative" then why are we running record breaking deficits?????? Blame the Dems, even though they hold no power? LOL that's a great excuse.
You still haven't shown me how investing in people through loans (Small Business, Education, R&D, etc.) hurts the economy or hurts the government in anyway, shape or form. They get the money back, plus interest AND produce tax base not just for the Fed. but state and local. I could understand your argument if I had said just give people money, but when I stated my belief that one thing government must do is invest in the people and country, you act like that's some entitlement program just giving money away. Yet, tax cuts and tax abatements and so on are ok.
I believe that rebuilding the infrastructure, such as the bridges, the highways, and so on (as I have proven we need to do in another thread based on the ASCE..... this thread post #35
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...highlight=asce). Which not one person on the right disputed the findings or even debated the need. So..... I'm taking it, the Right, acknowledges the need or the Right, just plans to keep ignoring those messy facts.
I have yet to see a true argument on how we fix this mess by giving tax cuts and running deficits. All I see is...... cutting taxes = more money in my pocket.... that's great but when local and state taxes increase with higher sales taxes, higher hidden taxes on consumption.... it is the poor that are most affected.
And then I have yet to see an argument from the war supporters and tax cut believers, tell me how they are sacrificing for the war. Basically every time I bring it up the topic is changed or I hear "tax cuts good..... war good.... you terrorist symapthizer."
Sooooo, on 1 hand you tell everyone to make sacrifices, to spend within their means to do this that and the other thing but keep the fucking tax cuts coming, we're not paying for this war when we need tax cuts?????
To summarize, My belief is that government needs to invest and in doing so they increase the tax base and revenue because of the interest on the loans. The other view is "tax cuts good.... GOP Congress and President care about all of us, fuck the war when it comes to my tax cuts, and run record deficits yet blame the party that has no power whatsoever...... hmmmmm. I'll take my side and agree to disagree with the other.
(BTW Ace, are you telling me that NOT 1 of those companies I listed got any start up loans or help from the government in any way shape or form?... show me your proof I'll show you mine. Fair enough challenge?)