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WindGillsPlease · 01-31-2006, 08:12 PM

Zeraph,
Thank you for checking me. I don't intend to trap people in their words just to make fools of them. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. I've also thought about it, and I can't say I have an answer. Maybe the thoughts were still good for us.

Nezmot,
If forced at gun point, I'd probably say relationships to save my life, But also because it's the one I want to be true the most.

What do you mean relationships are relative?
One relationship is Relative to itself? That doesn't say anything. We need another "anything" to messure it's relative properties.

Each relationship is relative to other relationships? Again, That could be true, but we still need to bring in some other thing to messure the shifting values of relationships.

I think Relationships are absolute, but only while they last. While a proton and neutron are drawn into a nucleus, they have a relationship. absolutely. We can see it. If they break away and their bonds are broken, that relationship isn't there. ...But, then you look at them again and say, "no, LOOK, I can see it, they are both crossing the galaxy! That's a relationship!" From there, you infer that it's the SAME relationship that CHANGED because it's RELATIVE. But, You changed your focus.
'Relationship' is a human thought device. so is order, so is unique, so is fluid. I do believe our words try very hard to describe what we see, but WE change, We change focus. I think absolutes were always there.

But if you say, how can a relationship that doesn't last be absolute? I say, because it's true also that the universe is fluid.

...Which is not an answer for some.

which is why I wouldn't answer unless I was at gun point. Hopefully the mad man was satified and let me go.

01-31-2006, 08:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
WindGillsPlease Upright	Zeraph, Thank you for checking me. I don't intend to trap people in their words just to make fools of them. If you don't want to answer, that's fine. I've also thought about it, and I can't say I have an answer. Maybe the thoughts were still good for us. Nezmot, If forced at gun point, I'd probably say relationships to save my life, But also because it's the one I want to be true the most. What do you mean relationships are relative? One relationship is Relative to itself? That doesn't say anything. We need another "anything" to messure it's relative properties. Each relationship is relative to other relationships? Again, That could be true, but we still need to bring in some other thing to messure the shifting values of relationships. I think Relationships are absolute, but only while they last. While a proton and neutron are drawn into a nucleus, they have a relationship. absolutely. We can see it. If they break away and their bonds are broken, that relationship isn't there. ...But, then you look at them again and say, "no, LOOK, I can see it, they are both crossing the galaxy! That's a relationship!" From there, you infer that it's the SAME relationship that CHANGED because it's RELATIVE. But, You changed your focus. 'Relationship' is a human thought device. so is order, so is unique, so is fluid. I do believe our words try very hard to describe what we see, but WE change, We change focus. I think absolutes were always there. But if you say, how can a relationship that doesn't last be absolute? I say, because it's true also that the universe is fluid. ...Which is not an answer for some. which is why I wouldn't answer unless I was at gun point. Hopefully the mad man was satified and let me go. __________________ Lungs are logical standing on the ground- I ask also for Gills- That I may thrive, and not suffocate in the atmosphere of dreams.