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Originally Posted by roachboy
stevo etc.: if you want a serious discussion about hamas, it would have to include something like adequate/accurate information about conditions on the ground in palestine, the political situation up to now--.....but a goofball content-free non-discussion predicated on tossing about idiotic one-dimensional images like you see in stevo's last post is not of any interest to me at all--I am too busy to fuck about with stupidity on that order.....
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Originally Posted by host
Can you teach me how you "do" this and still manage to avoid getting s*p*n*d for s*v*n days, every now and again? I'm in awe of you!
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Because mods don't read his posts, period.
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
will... I agree. This is what I have been trying to get at as well.
I was just reading that prior to running for office, Hamas agreed to a cease fire. From what I can tell they have held true to their word so far.
I see this as significant progress.
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Charlatan a good muslim friend of mine told me a story a few years back when we were discussing the whole Israeli question. He is Jordanian by birth but Palestinian by heritage, and one of the nicest guys I know, he also holds all the same degrees I do, two from the same institution, so if you will excuse my pride, he is pretty well educated. It was a long conversation, the kind you have while working on finishing a project late at night in a mostly empty lab, where your brain is not needed for most of the work at hand. He spoke of how they want peace etc, but then spoke of a 'prophecy' and told me a story. The story was of when the Jews controlled Mecca, and the story was that the muslims made peace and lived peacefully waiting for their time to attack. They did attack and of course the Jews lost. He says this is part of the peoples mind set, and the prophesy was of the Jews being pushed into the sea with Allahs help and, while I had to look up the details I did find it.
After all, the Prophet Muhammad himself warned Muslims that the last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
. . Until the Jew hides behind the rock and the tree. But the rock and tree will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, a Jew hides behind me, come and kill him. Except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews. We believe in this Hadith. We are convinced also that this Hadith heralds the spread of Islam and its rule over all the land.
Apparently he didn't make it all up on his own, and while doing a quick web search for this I found a great many varients of the same types of story.
To be honest both the Fatah and Hamas were working for Israels destruction, its just that Hamas has been far more open about it.
In short if you think that statement is 'significant progress' I have a bridge or two to sell you.