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Old 01-28-2006, 10:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Ok...that condition cannot happen. It's completely out of the realm of plausibility, therefore cannot be adequatly addressed.
See, this is a problem with society today. There was some lapse of reality over the last hundred years that prevents people who are under 18 (or 16 or whatever) from being taken seriously, and hence most of them act "like children". Some examples of why this is false:

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Alexander Graham Bell was born into a family specialising in elocution: both his father and his grandfather were authorities on the subject, and before long he himself was teaching people how to speak. Largely family trained and self-taught, in 1863, at the age of 16, he and his brother Melville began researching the mechanics of speech. Starting with the anatomy of the mouth and throate, they sacrificed the family cat in order to study the vocal chords in more detail.
At age 16 he was researching a legitimate science? How could he have the mental capabilities for that?

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Harbourne Mackay Stephen was born in Elgin on 17 April 1916. His parents were Thomas Milne Stephen and Kathleen Vincent Stephen, nee Park, who were married in Croydon in 1903. The house in which he was born was the North of Scotland Bank House at 151 High Street, his father at the time being the Bank’s manager. This house, erected in 1857 on the site of Drummuir House, one-time site of Elgin’s Theatre Royal, was replaced by the present branch of the Clydesdale Bank in 1969.

It is not known exactly when the Stephen family left Elgin, but Harbourne, known to his family and close friends as “Harry”, was educated between the ages of four and seven in Elgin by a governess, then in Edinburgh and finally as a pupil at Shrewsbury School. No doubt his somewhat disjointed education was caused by family moves, in association with his father’s banking career. He left school at the age of 15 to become a “Copy Boy”, at 15 shillings a week, for Allied Newspapers in Grays Inn Road, London. After some years at Allied Newspapers, he joined the staff of the Evening Standard.
He left school and started working at age 15? What a tragedy... except he went on to become a Wing Commander for the RAF and was "recognized personally by the king".

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(born Salzburg, 27 January 1756; died Vienna, 5 December 1791). Son of Leopold Mozart.

He showed musical gifts at a very early age, composing when he was five and when he was six playing before the Bavarian elector and the Austrian empress. Leopold felt that it was proper, and might also be profitable, to exhibit his children's God-given genius (Maria Anna, 'Nannerl', 1751-1829, was a gifted keyboard player): so in mid-1763 the family set out on a tour that took them to Paris and London, visiting numerous courts en route. Mozart astonished his audiences with his precocious skills; he played to the French and English royal families, had his first music published and wrote his earliest symphonies. The family arrived home late in 1766; nine months later they were off again, to Vienna, where hopes of having an opera by Mozart performed were frustrated by intrigues.

They spent 1769 in Salzburg; 1770-73 saw three visits to Italy, where Mozart wrote two operas (Mitridate, Lucio Silla) and a serenata for performance in Milan, and acquainted himself with Italian styles. Summer 1773 saw a further visit to Vienna, probably in the hope of securing a post; there Mozart wrote a set of string quartets and, on his return, wrote a group of symphonies including his two earliest, nos.25 in g Minor and 29 in A, in the regular repertory. Apart from a joumey to Munich for the premiere of his opera La finta giardiniera early in 1775, the period from 1774 to mid-1777 was spent in Salzburg, where Mozart worked as Konzertmeister at the Prince- Archbishop's court; his works of these years include masses, symphonies, all his violin concertos, six piano sonatas, several serenades and divertimentos and his first great piano concerto, K271.
Wait, so he started writing FAMOUS music and TOURING at age 7? Today this would be child exploitation (or acting). But this wasn't today's modern era of bullshit TV and looking cute for the camera.

Ben Franklin ran away from home when he was 17 to live and work in Philly (sure, most people even today are "accepting" of 17 y/o emancipation, but still not all people are).

Anne Frank was only 13 when she penned, "I can't tell you how oppressive it is never to be able to go outdoors, also I am very afraid that we will be discovered and shot." That sounds very mature and reasonable... maybe it's a silly example, but she was 13 and able to go through what she did. Of course it was an atrocity, but the mental and emotioanl capabilities to withstand something like that shows great maturity.

The Children's Crusade of 1212 was started by a boy named Stephen who was believed to be 12 or 13 years old.

Throughout history, "children" of many years younger than we normally consider "of age" have done very important, very impressive and very mature things. Over this last century, we have curbed that a great deal, and treat people like kids even soemtimes until they are in their early 20's. "If you live under my roof" is garbage if you expect your offspring to grow up and have any clue how to ACT mature and be an adult. I know several people who were VERY shilded as kids, and when they went off to college they were the biggest partiers, biggest sluts and often had no idea how to take care of themselves.

My conclusion? Maybe you shouldn't have sex with a 13 y/o, but don't assume that JUST because they've only been on this earth for 13 years they cannot possibly have any worldly knowledge or understanding. Plenty of people much older don't... plenty of younger people do. Don't judge based on age alone.
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