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Old 01-25-2006, 09:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
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On second though, I re-read your post and was a little disturbed by your unncessary imagery.. so I've decided to post a proper comment--

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We are all witnesses to some sort of phenomina I'm calling "absolute now"
What evidence to you have to justify this statement?


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abstract "Now" is faster than light
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This is one thing on my mind-
can anyone add to it?

We are all witnesses to some sort of phenomina I'm calling "absolute now"

Imagine the effects of a bullet shooting through the air- How the air moves -How air behind the bullet gets sucked into it's draft, and How the air spins in "backwater" behind the bullet.

In this picture, we are like particles of dust.
I'm not sure I see how this is connected. I'm imagining a bullet and the spinning/sucking physics created by rifling. How does this then become an analogy to us and dust? Are we bullets flying through the air? Or are we particles of dust?

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We can understand the bullet because we can compare our lives with it's "hyperlink" organization to our parents' modern organization
How do bullets have anything to do with hyperlinks, or contemporary society's organization? I think you need to explain this metaphor much more clearly. Furthermore, what is it about this bullet that we're understanding?

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You have to let go of "cutting edge" ego continuely maintain "cutting edge."
This sentence doesn't really follow nor does it stand alone as an idea.

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We, as the particles of dust, are never part of the "now bullet" we are just affected by it. Some, caught in the bullet's draft, some caught swirling in aftermath, some only slightly affected.... In any case, each is still behind the bullet. We only have *Hope* to "be on the ball" er... bullet...
Okay, so, if I understand the metaphor correctly now; We are particles of dust floating around, and events are speeding away from us (ala the bullet). The bullet's "draft" is sucking us towards it (from our surroundings) and speeding us up, but we'll never match the velocity of the bullet? I can understand this philosophy, but I don't know how this follows:

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I don't think you can be the bullet like that. it's not competative; "there can be only one" Nor is it fatalistic, at the whim of the world: "sometimes you are the bug, sometimes the windsheild"
Why don't you think we can be the bullet? I don't think you've clearly identified a reason why (in your metaphor) we cannot be the bullet (or the metal contained within the bullet, should you care to elaborate it that way).

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What I say is that life and God are outside of what we call the "world." and we can't therefore, subject to either the world, or ourselves, keep up. There is more to Life then us.
So God is the bullet?

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Yet, if God promises us spiritual birth through his Son, then we can hope to keep in step with the Spirit of God in our new spirit, reguardless of the lag of our bodies are subject to.
Why? Since your metaphor relies on a bullet under the influence of physical properties, what would allow us to suddenly accelerate from the from the windstream of a bullet to the velocity of the bullet itself? It sounds like you're trying to fit God into a perfectly apt philosophical metaphor about travelling slower than the World does.

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Take the playing out of western culture, for example. Socrates or Plato's Ideas are still trickling through how we govern today.
Example?

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We are still becoming aware of different implications of how Plato's words translate to us, and therefore, we build off of them. Sometimes we lose the meaning because we never understood, sometimes the meaning is refined through our understanding. How do we know we might have lost the meaning? I know western culture is based off plato, but I couldn't separate out the plato from the nonplato policies to anyone.
Experience is the culmination of the things past and present, so its only understandable that a man in our past shapes our present.

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To tie this to my other post, God may move through Nebcanezzar, Socrates, Jesus, Martin Luther King, or whoever, But He was there, and now He's gone on.
Why does this necessitate a God?

I really don't understand why there needs to be a God in any of these metaphors. While interesting philosophically, you don't seem to be connecting nor justifying why God is essential in this situation.

I suppose if I believed in a God (per your prerequisite I shouldn't have to) I could just say "Yea, that works.." but I don't believe you've clearly elucidated it for those of us who do not.
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