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Originally Posted by longbough
As I said before, my point is not that OC is useless ... My point is that it's not "proven." If you've ever used OC spray (and I have ... I don't like it) you'll discover that there are many things that make it an inconvenient method.
First of all, you need to practice to know where to direct the spray (it's not as easy as you might think). Just take a cardboard target and spray it for the first time ... you'll probably be surprised to know that the point of impact is not where you thought it would be. And a living person is not a stationary piece of cardboard ... an assailant is a moving target who is aware that a can is being pointed at him.
You see, one of the most essential elements of a defensive tool whether it be OC, taser or a gun is that the user be able to operate it effectively under stress - this means that simplicity and practice are paramount.
OC also has a shelf life for the propellant. I did have the experience grabbing a cannister that was only a couple of months off only to have it squirt an anemic 2 feet. Luckily I was practicing with it ... not defending myself. I would never rely 100% on OC for personal defense.
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If you are smart enough to carry OC spray or a taser, then you should be smart enoughg how to use it correctly, and how it should be maintained, just like those who own any weapon.
Now this next part confuses the crap out of me.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
I suspect that a elather jacket or such probably would have an effect of sheilding, somewhat, but what about jeans? Very few people wear anything much thincker than denim on their legs. Most criminals, honestly, are men. Shoot where it matters.
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Originally Posted by longbough
My arguments come from real world encounters. I'm not sure where yours are coming from. The crooks you see on COPS or Wildest Police Chases are not professional thieves nor are they representative of your typical predatory sociopath - the people captured on TV are only stupid thugs.
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Do criminals not wear pants? Are most criminals women? Are you even reading what I write? You lecture me on not listening you you, and yet you don't listen to me. That's hypocritical.
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Originally Posted by longbough
I never tasered anyone in the crotch (If it were effective I believe it would be taught as a method ... I'm not kidding) - but a taser works by conducting through skeletal muscle tissue. That's why it's ideal to hit the abs, arms or thigh. The genitalia are not skeletal muscle - perhaps the effecacy is attenuated.
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Yes, but the lower abdominals are right under the crotch. Legs are the largest muscel grouping in the human body, so I suggest them. Again I must ask, are jeans enough to keep the current from effecting the legs?
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Originally Posted by longbough
That's not the situation I'm thinking about. If you use it appropriately in self defense be prepared to be proned-out and cuffed before they check on you. That's all. Until you're checked out (doesn't matter that they immediately discover it's a taser) you will be handled like a person brandishing for the purposes of doing harm or threatening until they get the full story.
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Then that is a problem with law enforcement that needs to be addressed.