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Originally Posted by willravel
You mean like mase and a taser, both of which have bene proven weapons against rape, neither of which are a gun? What about those two weapons?
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While both the taser and OC spray are useful - they are far from "proven."
By "mace" I presume you mean pepper spray or OC spray. Of the many formulations, including ones exclusive to law enforcement, none can guarantee incapacitation. Some people simply aren't affected by it (I still don't know why). I personally know several people who have no problem being sprayed (some are LEOs and some are criminals). The most impressive "gentleman" I ever treated took on 8 full cans of LEO-only grade OC in a single encounter and had to be subdued by other means.
On the other hand I also know some unfortunate "gentlemen" who have severe life threatening asthma provoked principally by OC spray. You would think that's an incentive to behave ... it isn't.
Though I've never heard of
status asthmaticus provoked in a "street encounter". But I've seen it happen in state correctional institutions. Believe me, watching someone suffocate to death by "less than lethal" use of force is horrible.
Then there's the taser.
Tasers cost around $800 each - each cartridge is extra. Do you know any civilian who even owns a taser or trained with one?
You have one cartridge loaded at a time ... what if you miss?
Modern tasers simply look like Glocks - (ease of transition for LEOs). If a cop saw you brandishing one in public - regardless of the scenario he/she will, understandably, approach you as if you had a firearm.
And, did you know that taser barbs are easily defeated by heavy clothing? Criminals do.
I'm not saying tasers and OC spray are useless. But they don't substitute the function of a gun - hence the "escalation of force" in LEO practice.
And, yes, I do have "less than lethal" means at my disposal but it's neither OC nor a taser. I'll write about it later - gtg.