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Originally Posted by Elphaba
Marv,
your military experience is what, exactly?
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It's quite obvious that the only reason you want to know is to try to discredit me. However, I'll give you something of an answer anyway, although I choose not to be too specific. Posting too many personal details would be unwise, considering the number of flat-out nutcases I've observed lately.
I am a former miltary officer. Not a very high-ranking one, since I didn't make it a career.
However, my life and profession have put me in close contact with a great many past and present high-ranking officers. I am on a first-name basis with two retired SurfPacs (Commander-in-chief of Surface Forces in the Pacific). I play golf with their former chief-of-staff. I also have lunch a couple of times a month with a former head of the Sixth Fleet, who was also head of all NATO forces in the middle east. He has known every president since Truman. We have had many discussions regarding that area of the world, and terrorism. (He was on Saddam's death list, and occasionally still has Marines living in his house for security.)
I lived with a Navy SEAL who actually served in Vietnam, unlike so many people I meet who claim to have served there. He's now deceased.
I number among my friends at least ten pilots who served in Vietnam. One was a POW for six years there.
I have had many discussions with an admiral who is presently tasked with building two new teams, whose mission is to combat networks, not nations. Another invited my son to DC and got him a tour of Secret Service headquarters. He knows Bush, but Bush wasn't at the White House at the time, so my son didn't get to meet him. I have never met President Bush.
So admittedly, my own military credentials are unremarkable, but I feel comfortable saying I have heard a great deal more firsthand, authentic information than most people.
Now that that's over with (although I'm sure you're not satisfied), what are YOUR military credentials, and on what do you base your knowledge of things military?
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You know precisely what "swift-boating" means, why pretend otherwise?
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Because it's a bullshit term.
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Show us your research on Kerry's bronze and anything else you choose to
defend your remarks. Make it mainstream evidence, or you will continue
to embarrass yourself.
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Kerry's Bronze Star
Scroll down to the bottom. I recommend downloading the .pdf rather than trying to open it via the browser.
I would have linked to the bronze star on Kerry's site, but "for some reason" it's no longer on it. Oh, and my friend asked John Lehman if he remembered signing it, and he said "no." Said it could have been an autopen.
But if you'd like a more detailed discussion of it, here's a link:
Discussion of Kerry's Bronze Star
Now, do you intend to retract the remark about "embarrassing myself," or will you just continue to make uninformed, asshat attacks?
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Your have joined those that choose to demean Murtha. Prove to me that
he achieved "political gain" from his opinion regarding Iraq. Hillary
continues to support the Iraq war for political gain. Show me how you
reconcile one's war stance based upon their political affiliation and
ambitions.
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It's obvious to even a novice political observer that he was selected by the Democrats to make the statement because he had a good military record. If you don't think his party rewarded him, you are indeed naive. He also had the added benefit of getting his name in every newspaper in the country.
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I have done my best to try to understand your point of view, but it
appears to consist of nothing more than talking point jingoism. You
have been a distraction to this topic long enough. Shall we all move on
and leave Marvelous Marv to the back button sewer where he
belongs?
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I have a great rejoinder in mind regarding your occupation, but I'll let your immature remark stand all by itself.