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... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
See, this is where people make mistakes. I have done with 99% of all gun debates because I have come to realize that hopolophobes are not going to be persuaded. They are so convinced that they are correct that even when their "facts" ( like the hyperinflated US gun-death bodycount ) are shown to be misrepresented, manipulated, or just plain LIES, they persist in using them. They are convinced that we ( gunowners ) ARE the rediculous propaganda charicatures they like to paint. Logic, statistics, example of history...none of this will sway 99% of these people, so I have largely given up trying.
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Hopolophobe is not a word in the english language (according to Webster College Edition 2005 and several other dictionaries I've checked). Would you care to explain it's meaning? If you mean people who are afraid of people who have guns, then you call into that group along with everyone else in the world.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
Instead, I refer them to this:
If you leave me alone, I will leave you alone. If I am left unmolested, you will never know I am a gunowner, you will probably not even be aware of my existance. However, know this;
I believe that my [rights] are mine simply by virtue of being Human. No Government, no agency, and certainly no hopolophobic do-gooder is going to take them away from me, short of killing me or locking me up. I will resist, by any means needed, warranted, or possible, such incursions. I do not care if 51%, 75%, or 99.9% of the world thinks I'm crazy or selfish or delusional or scared. MY Rights are not subject to THEIR review or modification. The practical upshot is this:
If you come for my guns, my body, or my property, I will shoot you. I will shoot anyone you send in your place. End of story. Period. Might get me killed, might not. One way or another, any survivors will damn sure think twice before trying it on the next guy, because even if I never even wing 'em, they'll find my corpse equipped with enough foot-pounds of muzzle energy to let 'em know I meant it. 7.62x51mm Ball has a way of doing that. My FAL isn't for deer hunting, or target-shooting, or even criminal-shooting. It has only one purpose. Shooting tyrants and their agents. Yes, strictly speaking, it is a single-purpose weapon, and that single purpose is killing people. Sometimes, in the defense of Life and Liberty, people need to be killed.
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What a great argument Spoiler: if your intent was to alienate yourself from people on both sides of this argument, including pro-gun people. You're really making me think Spoiler: that you misrepresent a majority of gun owners, who ar NOT gun nuts, but simply people who belive that their safety and the safety of their family depends on protection provided by owning a gun.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
And here's the REALLY fun part...if even 1% of the 80,000,000+ -known- gunowners in this country thinks this way...you're going to have to kill or imprison upwards of 800,000 people. That's getting into the lower tier of Genocide. If the figure is 10% ( which is still low, IMO ) you're looking at 8,000,000 people dead or jailed. Beats Pol Pot, Saddam, and almost beats Hitler. Do you REALLY want to wade through that much blood?? We won't strike first, but we will strike back. Hard. Killing us will not be easy, or quick; you think IRAQ is trouble? Try getting a handle on an EIGHT MILLION-person insurgency. Are you people REALLY willing to go to lengths like that, just to satisfy your own prejudices?
Think about it.
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Prejudice: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts. As you can see from my really long posts, I have studied this and I have made my decision based on both philosophy and reason. I'm not prejudiced against gun owners.
What lengths am I willing to take this? I am willing to take this as far as educating people that having a gun does not make you a better person for any reason. I'm willing to go as far as teaching children how to protect themselves by becoming upstanding members of society. I'm willing to prevent crime by preventing poverty. I'm willing to look gun nuts straight in the eye and shoot them with my reason, not a bullit. I'm willing to listen, but you'd better be ready for me to respond. I'm willing to tell people that guns HURT AND KILL, even in the hands of well trained people who love their country, etc. etc. I'm willing to walk up to the edge of your property and play sappy 60s and 70s anti-war songs over loudspeakers until you understand that you're not at war with anyone.
I'm also willing to listen and learn. |