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Old 01-19-2006, 02:05 PM   #114 (permalink)
Willravel
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will, its obvious that because of what happened to your friend, that you've made up your mind and are deadset on removing guns from the face of the earth. Thats fine for you, but what I recommend you do is once you're in office immediately file a resolution to repeal the second amendment. Get the required amount of elected representatives and states to sign off on it. Once you've accomplished that, then you'll need to help form a federal task force large enough to start scouring the nation so you can start confiscating guns.
I'm not just a flower farting, anti gun liberal, though. I do recognise the imporatnce of what todays version of a militia means. The government cannot be allowed to have more power than the people. The Second Amendment is of pivital importance because we are seeing Bush abuse his powers right now. What the forefathers saw as a well armed milita, I see as a citizens union of sorts. We need an invisible 4th power in checks and balances: ourselves. Going back to guns for a moment (wlel for the rest of the thread, probably), I do not want to make guns illegal. I'd like to see people responsible enough to use them get them, and those who are not to be kept from getting them. This isn't just a national issue, in fact. I suspect that international law would benifit from multilateral decisions about the legality of weapons in general. Supplying arms and such should be better regulated than it is. Gun regisration would benifit all. Make the list public (yes, I am insane). BUT make sure that everyone who checks the list is also monitored. If someone looks at a person not having a gun on the list, and then that person is robbed, we'll have a very, very likely suspect. Then that person is prosecuted and sentenced to the full extent of the law, and it is widely published that 'the system works'. This will put a quick end to people trying to abuse the list. Mind you, I am working this out as I write it, but at least I'm thinking about it instread of just thinking about escelation. I want to do everything in my power to keep guns from bad people. In that, I suspect that we are on the same side.
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On that note, I want to leave you with the following facts:

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. Subsequently, from 1915 to 1917, 1.5-million
Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. Then from 1929 to 1953, approximately 20-
millon dissidents were rounded up and killed.
In 1938 Germany did establish gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13-million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest,
were rounded up and killed.
In 1935, China established gun control. Subsequently, between 1948 and 1952, over 20-million
dissidents were rounded up and killed.
In 1956, Cambodia enshrined gun control. In just two years (1975-1977) over one million
"educated" people were rounded up and killed.
In 1964, Guatemala locked in gun control. From 1964 to 1981, over 100,000 Mayan Indians
were rounded up and killed as a result of their inability to defend themselves.
In 1970, Uganda got gun control. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were rounded
up and killed.
Over 56-million people have died because of gun control in the last century . . .338

338 Most of the genocide statistics were reported “Death by ‘Gun Control’: The Human Cost of Victim Disarmament,
Aaron Zelman & Richard W. Stevens, 2001

Senator Diane Feinstein, speaking on "60-Minutes" said "if I
thought I could get the votes, I'd have taken them all."


Why does Senator Feinstein carry a concealed weapon?
I know the stats and the history. I also know that this is a desicision for the people of SF to make for themselves, and I defend their right to make such a decision. I'm not stupid. I know that there is little if any prescedent for success in the gun ban, but I do know that it's possible.
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SERIOUS QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF
• If guns are effective enough to be a criminal's preferred tool, why are they not good enough to use for protection?
That same question was once asked about nuclear weapons. No one came up with an answer beyond MAD.
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• Why do politicians insist their bodyguards be armed, but not you and I?
They're hypocrites, but we alreay knew that.
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• If you and your children were face to face with a male attacker twice your size, what would you do – If you weren't armed? If you were armed?
I'd break him in two if he ever even thought about putting my daughter in any kind of harm. Even if the guy is an excelent fighter, I know can give my daughter enough time to run and hide.
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• If guns are "too dangerous" to be in our society, how come our leaders want to be the only ones who have them? Do you trust our leaders implicitly to protect you at all times?
Guns are too dangerous in general. No one should have them. Of course that's absurd asn they've already been invented. All we can do now is try to limit the destructive capabilities of guns, such as being available to criminals.
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• Which is better – more gun control and the eventual banning of all guns in oursociety, or not sitting by helplessly watching as an intruder repeatedly rapes your 13-year-old daughter?
An intruder really would have a great deal of trouble getting into my house, so the question is moot. I'll play along anyway. No one will rape my daughter because I won't let them. I don't need a gun, and neither should anyone else.
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• If we ever completely ban guns, do you think there will be no more armed criminals in America?
There will be criminals, but they will be a hell of a lot less dangerous.
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• With so many gun laws already on the books, how come "gun crimes" still exist?
They are lax in some cases and practically non-existant in others. They are inneffective because of efforts by organizations like the NRA to prevent things like gun registration (which has been brought before the House more than a few times).
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