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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Osama pertains a lot to Iraq seeing as to there is a significant Al Qaeda base coupled with the insurgency, thus in the context of this conversation, Osama has everything to do with Iraq.
If you read the above section of the quote you selectively quoted, you would read how I wrote that I know people on the defeatist/Anti Bush crowd I am talking about don't straight up say anything overtly treasonous, because they are politicking and want to come off like they completely support the troops when in fact they don't. It's the mentality and your ideal "ends" that are the primary problem.
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And that Al Qaeda base existed
before the war or as a result of it?
As far as selectively quoting, I did so out of a desire to not flood my post with a recitation of every post I pulled these comments from. Regardless, I did not alter your words, which, I quote again:
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All I'm saying is a lot of what I hear isn't dissent, it is treasonous.
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And this as well (I'll even highlight it):
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It's just that Liberals don't merely stop at not supporting the war, and their "dissent" (if that's what you want to call it), or a lot of it, isn't helping the situation, it is making things worse and some of it goes so far it is treasonous.
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so, yes, you did call it straight up treason. Twice you used the phrase "...it is treasonous." How is it treasonous? And I'm still curious to know what you believe to be the difference between dissent and treason in this case. Also, how is a mentality treasonous?
I ask these questions because it seems to be a favorite tactic of the war supporters to quell dissent by calling it treason. I'm guessing the hope is that those of us who question the motives, rationale, and execution of this debacle will somehow so fear the connotation of treason that we will shut up and go away. This will not happen. In fact, we will become even more bold and demand that those who call our words treason either back their claims up with strong evidence or cease using such empty vitriol. We will then demand an accounting of why we entered this war in the first place. THAT, I'm guessing, is the real reason why so many have resorted to the treason argument: to obfuscate the real debate.
To this end, I'm challenging you to back that claim up or retract it because frankly, many of us are growing a bit weary of such an empty claim.