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Not true, having been in management and an owner of a business, I know what needs to be done. But there is a difference between saying " Ok, don't touch my millions upon millions but let's cut jobs, destroy a city's economy and we'll be ok."

It's wrong and in the lonbg run the greed will destroy the company. They are becoming far too top heavy with too many greedy CEO's.

Gee, wouldn't that apply to GM, Ford and other companies? Guess not. Again, management is too greedy, where unions once were too destructive management has become as destructive if not moreso now.

I truly disagree with this. Yes, people are paid for their professions but look at the companies and look at the DEBT they have and how much the CEO's make while blaming labor costs and laying off, firing or just shipping jobs overseas.

If you have a CEO making with perks $10,000,000 and you have 10,000 employees, does it make sense to cut their on average $15 and hour and destroy the tax base to save money when the CEO himself could take a pay cut until the company shows true profit and has kept the infrastructure and city that needs them in good shape?

Guess not, by what you say it's "Fuck the worker, the CEO deserves everything he gets because he makes us more more".... when the same amount of money could be made by cutting his wages and making him actually work to better the company, not band aid it, rape another country's labor and destroy a community and 1000's of lives.


I didn't say we didn't have the best. But it is increasingly becoming unaffordable and we'll see if people truly live longer when the boomers start to age.

There's many factors besides healthcare that are allowing us to live longer.



The prescription drug plan was to say they tried something. The President, Congress and the Pharmaceuticals were actually put under pressure to do something or watch as more meds were "illegally brought over from Canada, Mexico, the internet and so on. Will it be successful? Time will tell.

If it is good, if it becomes like the "No Child Left Behind" where the GOP promises one thing then cuts funding and starts talking how it was a bad idea without even giving it a chance to take effect..... then no, they didn't do anything but make matters worse.

The attempt was never given a chance, from the second it was written the GOP decried it and cut funding almost immediately. And has been cutting it ever since, including College grants, loans and financial aid to those who need it most.

So no, it wasn't a true attempt.



Bradley was a good man, he lacked charisma and unfortunately was never given a true chance, much like Kemp on the GOP side. Moderates this day and age do not get the nod or the attention for fear it may incur change and the parties would lose their power.


Most Middle and lower front line management is. And most upper level executives in smaller companies are. However, the true upper management of the bigger companies have lost touch with America, they don't see any problems because they make their money and to them closing down a factory and shipping it overseas just saves their salaries and looks good to the board.... As you keep pointing out..... However they don't give a shit what that closing has done to the community or the people affected.

Look at Canton... They made Hoover, there was a great connection there. Maytag came in closed them down now, these people who bought Hoovers are going to go and buy Dirt Devils or Eurekas and will not buy anything by Maytag.

Nor did those closings save Maytag, and as Maytag is losing money and having to sell everything off, the CEO and upper management's salaries and perks go untouched.

So there is one case out of many where your argument that CEO's make money and deserve the pay, falls apart.


How do you figure when they are heavily indebt and in most cases a paycheck away from missing house and car payments. They fear to make noise to organize and unionize and speak out, for fear what little they do have will be taken away as the company says," FUCK YOU, we'll rape Taiwan and Indonesia and Mexico of their labor and still make more."

Eventually, you get nothing here but shit jobs for shit wages with everyone heavily indebt. But if we ever stopped the flow of credit (we don't even have to collect just stop the credit) the economy would plunge to levels this country has never seen.

Ever wonder why opr how college kids get $1000's in credit cards? Or why someone making $12,000 can have a $5,000 limit? Not because they have good credit, it's because we need everyone to spend spend spend to feed this monster. The second we don't spend we die.

Don't you wonder why the refusal of interest rates is so big? It's because if they started going up, people would be in very bad shape and wouldn't be able to feed the monster.

They are living on credit and when the credit comes due, they won't even be surviving.


True, wanting to actually correct the problems and build a better society needs to be done with not just money but with a true desire on all sides to work together.

Money, right now is desperately needed and is the solution short term. As pointed out above, in the ASCE report, you work on the infrastructure (which requires money to be spent), and you make new jobs, increase tax bases, increase wages and decrease the debts people have, and the country becomes better in many ways.

Unfortunately, it's not that way right now. And we don't have much time to change it.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"