We agree on a few points, but in some areas I don't think you understand why management makes the decisions they do.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Go ahead take every factory overseas and pay all the workers $2. You know what, FUCK THE BLACKMAIL, DO IT!!!!!!! You can't because we are the largest market and in doing that you will effectively destroy yourself and everyone else. It's why Honda, Nissan, Toyota and so on built factories here and are paying in wages and benefits almost better if not better than Ford, GM, and so on. (I know this for fact because I have relatives working at both GM in Ontario, Ohio and at Honda, Marysville.) The Japanese car companies are thriving not necessarily because of better product but because of the way management and the workers work together.
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Nissan, Toyota, BMW, etc, build factors here because it makes them money. When they make the decision they look at labor costs, certainly. but the also look at proximity to their market (or shipping costs), proximity to suppliers, currency exchange rates, tax rates, cost of land, cost of construction, pool of available and trainable labor, political stability in an area, etc, etc, etc.
It may be surprising but in some cases it makes sense to move jobs here, and in other cases move jobs overseas. It ain't personal, its business. People in management get paid to make money, thats the job. Why do you get upset when they do their job. Teachers get paid to teach. Singers get paid to sing. Your religious leader gets paid to give religious guidence. Etc, Etc.
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Another issue is healthcare. If healthcare wasn't so out of control and we actually fixed the fucking system instead of letting it continue to spiral, more companies like GM would be financially solvent.
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We have the best health care system in the world. People live longer today than in anyother time in history. Can it be better? Yes. Is it broke? No.
How would I improve it? I'll get back to you on that.
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Overall, if either of the sides (Healthcare, management, the workers, government (Local, State and FED.), truly wants to allow the US to become strong and financially and infrastructurally healthy, all sides need to work towards that goal and make sacrifices.
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I agree.
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And the GOP (Federally) has taken the side that they refuse to do anything.... which is basically the same as saying "I have treatable cancer, but I am scared to have treatment ...it'll cure itself."
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Prescription Drug Plan for seniors. Is that nothing? Or, do we just not give the GOP credit for it. Plan is not perfect, but do you acknowledge the attempt?
No Child Left Behind. Is that nothing? Again, not perfect but do you acknowledge the attempt?
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The DEMS (Federally) have no true selling points because they lack any insight and true leadership on the issue.
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When Bradley from New York ran for president I supported him. I think he was too middle of the road for the democratic base. We need to fix or primary system. We get extremists from both parties.
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Management doesn't care because they make their millions and have their golden parachutes.
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True of some, not all. Most managers are hard working, caring people, just like you.
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The workers have lost care because they are just trying to survive.
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Most people are doing better than just surviving.
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And State and Local governments do what they can but they can't truly do much because they lack the funds.
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Money is not always the answer to a problem.