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Old 01-15-2006, 11:48 PM   #18 (permalink)
martinguerre
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Natural law? I'm going to let you in on a little secret...my first dog was gay.
I'm queer....I know this already. "Natural" is a cultural assumption that is passed off as a universal. This is Foucaultian theory here...the key words being "our ideas" not "the ultimate reality of the universe." It's a construct.

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Name one person you know of who is homophobic and an athiest
Several of them post on this very board. I don't think this is any challenge. Ask Joe or Jane homophobe...and many of the reasons you'll get have nothing to do with scripture and everything to do with "natural law" which i think i've shown to have substantive parallels with Stoic discourses.

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My point is that Stoicism has no effect on current Western society.
Which i think is a pretty daring assumption. Modern philosophy depends heavily on classic philosophy, and the modern notion of the individual to my mind is translated from the Stoics, amongst other sources. Body control looks very different, and has other roots...but i've already covered that.

In the end...yes, Paul is reading Hebrew Scriptures. But when it comes to sex and body control, he is refering with greater frequency to Stoic ideas than he is to the LXX. I can think of a few counter examples, but in those cases he weaves both sources together as his reasoning. I'm not dismissing the Levitical passages as having no influence on Paul, but i'm trying to get across that our modern version of homophobia doesn't just start in "religious" texts. It has other roots...
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