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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
yeah in the Philippines in some villages boys don't get it done until they are like 12, and it is done with a large knife or machete... (well that's what my cousins scared me with...) the 12 is true, the knife or machete... dunno. but by 12 I'd know if I wanted it done or not, and at 12, not would be my choice.
But one of my relatives did get it done late in life like that, and he got a different cut where there is some tissue at the bottom like a "waddle" supposedly it's for the woman's pleasure. Again, i don't know if it's true or if he's just making it up but I did see it and it is different.
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This is part of why I think the claims of sexual pleasure being decreased don't measure up. If you had it done late in life, I would expect you to know if there was a major difference in what you got out of sex. Its not like adults haven't done this.
For fun I've decided to look beyond the circumcision of children and lets look at adults. The children literature is swamped with those fighting the good fight, but I figured that the adult literature should be free of this.
This is from the american academy of family physicians
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It is important to provide the patient with adequate information about the procedure ahead of time. Specifically, the patient should be told about the risks of bleeding, hematoma formation, infection, inadvertent damage to the glans, removal of too much or too little skin, aesthetically unpleasing results and a change of sensation during intercourse. The patient should also be informed that, during the postoperative period, erections can cause pain and disruption of the suture line that may require replacement of the sutures. Full recovery following circumcision generally requires four to six weeks of abstinence from all genital stimulation and sexual activity.
The patient should also be reminded about the benefits of circumcision. If he has the procedure, hygiene will be simpler and may result in fewer local infections, resolution of phimosis and paraphimosis, and less risk of frenular tears and bleeding during intercourse.
Alternatively, if the patient elects not to have the procedure, he should be treated with conservative measures for these conditions (e.g., either oral or topical antibiotics, training in meticulous hygiene for patients with balanitis). Patients having a circumcision for recurrent balanitis should be free from infection before the procedure.
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http://www.aafp.org/afp/990315ap/1514.html
Just a warning, the link above has pictures, enough said. Of the negative effects of circumcision they neglect to mention any change in sexual sensations (beyond those 4-6 weeks of recovery)
From the mayo clinic
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Q. Is it true that circumcision increases sexual pleasure?
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Circumcision is a surgical procedure that involves removing the skin (foreskin) covering the head of the penis. There is much debate about whether circumcision enhances or diminishes sexual pleasure in adult males. Some experts believe that circumcision reduces sensitivity of the tip of the penis and, as a result, decreases sexual pleasure. Others believe it has no effect on sexual sensation or satisfaction.
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This is also from the mayo clinic.
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Potential benefits of circumcision
Some research suggests that circumcision has health benefits, including:
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs). Although the risk of UTIs in the first year is low, various studies suggest that UTIs may be as much as 10 times more common in uncircumcised baby boys than in those who are circumcised. Uncircumcised boys are also more likely to be admitted to the hospital for a severe UTI during the first three months of life. Severe UTIs early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.
* Decreased risk of cancer of the penis. Although this type of cancer is very rare, circumcised men show a lower incidence of cancer of the penis than do uncircumcised men.
* Slightly decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Some studies have shown a lower risk of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in circumcised men. Still, safe sexual practices are much more important in the prevention of STDs than is circumcision.
* Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis may narrow to the point where it's difficult or impossible to retract, a condition called phimosis. Circumcision may then be needed to treat the problem. A narrowed foreskin can also lead to inflammation of the head of the penis (balanitis).
* Ease of hygiene. Circumcision makes it easier to wash the penis. An intact foreskin, however, isn't really an obstacle to cleanliness. Normally the foreskin adheres to the end of the penis in a newborn, then gradually stretches back during early childhood. Until the foreskin retracts, all you have to do is wash your baby's genital area gently with soap and water. Later, your son can learn to gently pull the foreskin back and cleanse the tip of the penis with soap and water.
Potential risks of circumcision
In general, circumcision is considered to be a safe procedure, and the risks related to it are minor. Several studies found the overall complication rate of circumcision to be around 0.2 percent. Circumcision does have some risks and possible drawbacks, including:
* Bleeding and infection. All surgical procedures, including circumcision, carry certain risks, such as excessive bleeding and infection. There's also a possibility that the foreskin may be cut too short or too long, or that it won't heal properly. If the remaining foreskin reattaches to the end of the penis, another minor operation may be needed to correct it. These occurrences are uncommon.
* Pain. Circumcision does cause pain. Typically a local anesthetic is used to block the nerve sensations. Talk to your doctor about what type of anesthesia might be used.
* Permanence. Following most circumcisions, it would be difficult to make the penis look uncircumcised.
* Cost. Some insurance companies don't cover the cost of circumcision. If you're considering circumcision, find out whether your insurance company will cover it.
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Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm
Damn now this one says something, not something some of you will agree with, but something...
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Sexual effects of circumcision
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The sexual effects of circumcision, if any, are controversial and poorly understood. The reader may wish to read the summary below in conjunction with the original studies, to which links can be found in the references.
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Summary of research findings
Study Design Peer reviewed Sample size (c, uc)1 Finding Significant2
Sexual drive
Collins (2002) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 15 No difference No; p>0.68
Senkul (2004) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 42 No difference No; p=0.32
Erectile function
Fink (2002) Cross-sectional; adult circumcision patients Yes 40 Favours non-circumcision Yes; p=0.01
Collins (2002) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 15 No difference No; p>0.96
Senkul (2004) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 42 No difference No; p=0.89
Masood (2005) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 88 No difference No; p=0.40
Shen (2004) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 95 Favours non-circumcision Yes; p=0.001
Laumann (1997) National probability study Yes 1410 Favours circumcision Yes; p<0.10
Ejaculation
Collins (2002) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 15 No difference No; p>0.48
Senkul (2004) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 42 No difference in BMSFI (Brief Male Sexual Function Inventory)
Greater time to ejaculate after circumcision No; p=0.85
Yes; p=0.02
Shen (2004) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 95 Greater time to ejaculate after circumcision Yes; p=0.04
Laumann (1997) National probability study Yes 1410 Circumcised men less likely to ejaculate prematurely Yes; p<0.10
Waldinger (2005) Multinational, stopwatch assessment Yes 500 No difference No
Penile sensation
Fink (2002) Cross-sectional, adult circumcision patients Yes 40 Favours non-circumcision Almost; p=0.08
Masood (2005) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 88 Favours circumcision in 38%, non-circumcision in 18% Yes; p=0.01
Denniston (2004), cited by Denniston (2004) Not stated; survey of males circumcised in adulthood No 38 Favours non-circumcision in 58%, circumcision in 34% Not stated
Masters (1966) Neurologic testing; subjects matched for age No 70 (35, 35) No difference Not stated
Bleustein (2003) Quantitative somatosensory testing No 79 (36, 43) No difference when controlled for other variables No; p=0.08
Bleustein (2005) Quantitative somatosensory testing Yes 125 (63, 62) No difference when controlled for other variables No
Overall satisfaction
Fink (2002) Cross-sectional; adult circumcision patients Yes 40 Favours circumcision Yes; p=0.04
Collins (2002) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 15 No difference No; p>0.72
Senkul (2004) Prospective; adult circumcision patients Yes 42 No difference No; p=0.46
Masood (2005) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 88 Favours circumcision (61% satisfaction) Not stated
Shen (2004) Not stated; adult circumcision patients Yes 95 Favours circumcision Yes; p=0.04
1 c = circumcised; uc = uncircumcised.
2 If stated, author's analysis is used. Otherwise, significance is considered to be p <= 0.05.
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Ok now odds are that didn't format right so here is the link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_...f_circumcision
But let me break it down....
For adult circumcision....
Sex drive: 2 studies, sex drive was unchanged.
Erectile function: 6 studies, 2 in favor of non-circumcision, one in favor of circumcision, and 3 showing no effect. The study in favor OF circumcision was larger in sample size by a factor of 15 to any other study done.
Ejaculation: 5 studies. 3 no difference, 2 say circumised men take longer to ejaculate, including the very large study above, it also claims circumcised men are LESS likely to prematurely ejaculate.
Penile Sensation: (note just what you can feel where) 6 studies. Two in favor of noncircumsision one in favor of circumcision, 3 no difference.
Overall satisfaction 5 studies, 3 favor circumsision, two no difference.
Now its been a LONG LONG time since I did a meta analysis of like studies, but it seems to me that over all there is a benifit to circumsision over being non-circumcised.
Cynthetiq I'd like to thank you for pointing me in this direction, if anything it makes me more confident I made the right decision for my son. Its late, I'm tired, I'm just getting over being sick and I can see typos all over so I'll ask you all to forgive me there
