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yster · 01-11-2006, 03:54 AM

I find it interesting that the idea of "natural" being opposed to religion pretty interesting, that the way a body could be thought to be "originally designed" by an omnipotent creator would clash with the those religiously-minded. I'm not saying natural is wrong, but citing evolution rings pretty hollow. Our bodies, naturally, are suited to about 30 years of prime fitness before all of our organs and muscles begin to atrophy, joints begin to wear and sexual peaks are over (odds of birth defects go up). According to "evolution", we'd all be best suited to the "live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse" mentality.

Religion aside, people seem to vastly understimate the laziness of men (and especially young men and boys) when it comes to hygiene. We don't have to sit down to pee, and that kind of mentality seems to create a situation where the bathroom is an in-and-out in 15 seconds thing. I would guess even other men would underestimate how often guys skip washing their hands after urinating. Of course, even though I do, in a public restroom, all it takes is one guy to skip it and touch the door handle on his way out and the exercise becomes rather futile. Any kind of improvement to natural cleanliness will have a bigger effect than people would admit.

Blame my laziness, but if I could have had an operation as a baby with the result that my nose never ran or precluded ever having to deal with snot or mucus, even if my sense of smell became slightly less acute, sign me up! Obviously this attitude makes me glad I was circumcised as a baby (for health reasons, not religious), though I wouldn't do it to any kids I had. Though I am very happy with my situation, an irreversable operation like that isn't something I'd want hanging over me. Actually, I'd take that nose operation today, even if it hurt like hell and bled for a week. =p

As for the look, obviously that is socialized, but I find it very hard to believe that the smell is. For men or women, certain smells are universally repulsive for a reason. If anything, it would take intense programming to make a person enjoy a smell like sulphur, for example. Men or women, cut or uncut, I don't think properly cleaned genitals have that kind of strong "fishy" smell, do they? From my limited knowledge of stinky smells, isn't even sweat pretty odorless until the bacteria does its thing?

01-11-2006, 03:54 AM	#106 (permalink)
yster Tilted	I find it interesting that the idea of "natural" being opposed to religion pretty interesting, that the way a body could be thought to be "originally designed" by an omnipotent creator would clash with the those religiously-minded. I'm not saying natural is wrong, but citing evolution rings pretty hollow. Our bodies, naturally, are suited to about 30 years of prime fitness before all of our organs and muscles begin to atrophy, joints begin to wear and sexual peaks are over (odds of birth defects go up). According to "evolution", we'd all be best suited to the "live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse" mentality. Religion aside, people seem to vastly understimate the laziness of men (and especially young men and boys) when it comes to hygiene. We don't have to sit down to pee, and that kind of mentality seems to create a situation where the bathroom is an in-and-out in 15 seconds thing. I would guess even other men would underestimate how often guys skip washing their hands after urinating. Of course, even though I do, in a public restroom, all it takes is one guy to skip it and touch the door handle on his way out and the exercise becomes rather futile. Any kind of improvement to natural cleanliness will have a bigger effect than people would admit. Blame my laziness, but if I could have had an operation as a baby with the result that my nose never ran or precluded ever having to deal with snot or mucus, even if my sense of smell became slightly less acute, sign me up! Obviously this attitude makes me glad I was circumcised as a baby (for health reasons, not religious), though I wouldn't do it to any kids I had. Though I am very happy with my situation, an irreversable operation like that isn't something I'd want hanging over me. Actually, I'd take that nose operation today, even if it hurt like hell and bled for a week. =p As for the look, obviously that is socialized, but I find it very hard to believe that the smell is. For men or women, certain smells are universally repulsive for a reason. If anything, it would take intense programming to make a person enjoy a smell like sulphur, for example. Men or women, cut or uncut, I don't think properly cleaned genitals have that kind of strong "fishy" smell, do they? From my limited knowledge of stinky smells, isn't even sweat pretty odorless until the bacteria does its thing?