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Old 01-09-2006, 10:19 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by roachboy
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i didnt ask whether you personally were able to rationalise this--obviously you are. i see your position as wholly tied to the particularities of your experience (including the conclusions you drew from seeing what you did) and not in any way a generalizable argument. there are all kinds of factors, most of which would be personal, that i would need to know in order to see in your posts aything other than your personal response. central among these would be your personal sense of safety, what it entails, where it comes from. as it stands, the most i could say about it would be to specualte about your class position---maybe more exactly your "objective" class position crossed with your projections about the meaning of that position.
while these matters would no doubt be of interest were we hanging out somewhere having a beer or 12 and getting to know each other as 3-d people, here i dont even see your posts as political. they are anecdotes and nothing more. you dont give any logic that would amount to a general argument that would enable someone who is not you to see what it is about your position that would be compelling as a political position---as it stands, the only response i have to your posts is something on the order of.......interesting....that's nice.
that you do not see in the various surveillance actions of the bushsquad any infringement on your rights is also fine for you--but there is nothing about your experiences either travelling or living elsewhere or in an american city (what you list anyone could have seen--your response is not universal nor is it obvious) that moves beyond the subjective.
but you act in your posts as though your experiences override political argument.
that assumption is wholly arbitrary.
so there we are.
they don't trump political argument. They are equally a valid point. You can point to all the political arguments you want, but at the end of the day, there's having to put food in your stomach and a roof over your head.

People say Opening mail is an invasion of my privacy. Okay and?

To some people that stops them dead in their tracks since the government must be doing something that must be stopped. Okay and?

My argument is that the average person out there does not care. Yes they care on its face, but if it doesn't alter the way they go about the day, it doesn't really matter more than simple lip service in saying that it's bad and should be changed. Your average person cares more about what's going on with their family and how it impacts their day to day. For the most part you aren't going to get them to march in the streets to Washington.

Governments have come and gone, and yet the people have stayed. Business have thrived, families grown rich and poor. Ours comes and goes every 4-6 years depending on the position, but nothing is wholly overhauled to make it a 100% change over night.
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